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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgr a the global radio

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your help to get to the year nineteen

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to black with jimmy touch on the game

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yeah so good to be back it's Monday

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197 days into the new year just 168 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in beautiful downtown Burbank California

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listening all around the world all

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planets come real Timmy church what is

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what an amazing week we have got in

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front of us here on fade to black

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tonight we have very special guest with

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special effects master guru director

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filmmaker Steve Neill is here it's got a

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new series out it's called but something

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is there yeah first episode is out we're

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and career right here in Hollywood

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conversation so stay right there

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tomorrow night Laurie McDonald is back

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and she just arrived from Geneva she was

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China that's right and so we're gonna

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some amazing intel on the history of

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UFOs in China that she has just received

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again a very special night here on fade

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because Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead

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the creators of the hit film The Endless

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join us for the very first time and the

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film is amazing I recommended it to

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everybody last month and your responses

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from the film know we're all that

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mirrored mine and I remember when Rita

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about and it deals with without giving

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endless and Justin Benson Erin Moorhead

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night another fader night open lines all

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night long the Colin numbers are three

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social media platform built just for

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this community go over and hang out and

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you can check out my rant that I posted

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in advance tonight over at on stellar

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at on stellar and call it's fade to

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black notes because that's what they are

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cool over the weekend are you guys

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watching sex session if you haven't you

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need to check that out two really cool

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series news series over watch it from

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Firefly that's right we went back and

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what an amazing series that was

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absolutely amazing where am I at here

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yeah hashtag F to be on Twitter and what

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films of all time but I've only been

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able to see it twice it has disappeared

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it's impossible to find I'm gonna have

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version of it it's called highway to

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hell and Ben Stiller is in a Jerry

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really cool moments in the film and it's

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really well made anyway I went I saw

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that Steve Neil did the model making on

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that film he's done so many films he

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on that one but so I went to go find it

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this weekend and it said it was

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streaming on DirecTV it's not there I

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it's not there Netflix it's not there I

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amazing anyway Steve Neil worked on that

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film did I tell you alright email is

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Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com any

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to B Q is right there okay I got a

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really nice message from River Moon

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banner right there Jimmy Church radio

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another another Earth what is this have

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you seen another Earth yet highly

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recommend it I'm so going to see the

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endless this weekend yes you need to see

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the endless you need to see the endless

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before Wednesday that's what you need to

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do why are we not streaming on Keiji all

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you're sending me that message on

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you need to contact K GRA I can't do

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anything about that let's see here

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another earth I heard about this and I

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will I will check it out

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I will check it out there's another

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not the endless by the way but that

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I'm gonna have to check that out where

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don't forget to subscribe to our podcast

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we have over 885 shows I can't believe

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we're closing in on 900 shows holy crap

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Ola do you remember how many years ago

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that five months away six months I don't

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how I do my math right there so then

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take it to that you could that yeah what

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shows is that right somebody do the math

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post a date yeah tonight you said it was

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500 right we are at 900 that is funny so

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what is the day and date for show number

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1000 let's see who can nail that one

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down I want to see that posted up here

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in Twitter show number 1001 is that

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going to happen our rights

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also get a private email to me all right

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a picture over the weekend and I don't

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do this often but I did because I was

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sitting here in the bunker taking these

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supplements and I just want to show you

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guys this is what I do every day I do GI

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joy I do pine bark I do

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Moringa I do these are all drops I do

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olive leaf and vitamin C every single

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day oh of course

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the thing I'm not supposed to mention

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because you know YouTube doesn't like it

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there it is 500 milligram droppers of

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CBD every single day life changed he

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used the promo code fader do what I do

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follow my eye do the colostrum I do the

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tea I do the GI joy and then I do all of

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the drops right in a row tastes so good

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I just man I feel great but I'm also

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addicted to the taste of those drops go

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to life change tea today and get yours

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promo code fader will get yourself some

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storage our link is down at new mana by

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the way I think the promo code is still

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good though we're gonna get that fixed

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it went down last month for a couple of

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hours we'll get that fixed a new man of

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food storage and bearing optics and with

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that let's get this show crackin lots to

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talk about tonight Will Ferrell today is

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51 and mentioned Ben Stiller earlier and

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every time I think about ben stiller

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well meet the parents but the first

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thing that comes to mind is Zoolander

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that's it

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Will Ferrell makes the cut because of

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Zoolander but here's the other thing

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that show I was talking about earlier

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also succession on HBO Will Ferrell's

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not in it he's friggin producing it and

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after watching succession I think well

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after watching part of that film house

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or whatever it's called new house or a

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house or whatever he needs to just stick

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to producing it stays to be funnier way

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behind him but in anyway happy birthday

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will he is 51 years old on this day in

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history very important day in history

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1945 the Manhattan Project comes to an

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explosive end as the first atom bomb is

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successfully tested in Alma Gordo New

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Mexico and then also on this day in 1969

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Apollo 11 allegedly the first u.s. lunar

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landing mission is launched from Cape

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Canaveral Florida I jest no I don't am I

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I'm not that but it was still on this

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day in 1969 now my fader fact tonight is

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about as hard to believe as anything but

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they're all vetted it's all real here is

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your fader fact a small population of

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mammoths survived that's right on the

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Wrangel Island in Russia until 1650 BC

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he thought they were all gone in the Ice

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Age didn't you 1650 BC or about 1,000

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years after the alleged construction

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date of the Great Pyramid now put that

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is a fader fact all right tonight

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special effects master director

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filmmaker Steve Neal is here so get

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ready for that

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tomorrow night Laurie MacDonald is here

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and Wednesday night

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Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead

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creators of the hit film endless join

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the show now over at on stellar I posted

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my notes today and I'm gonna do that now

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just just listen to every word that I'm

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about to say and some of this I have

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done in the past but just listen to me

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I'm gonna start with this quote from the

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big new Brzezinski's book between two

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ages quote in the Technotronic society

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the trend would seem to be towards the

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aggregation of the individual support of

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millions of uncoordinated citizens

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easily within the reach of magnetic and

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attractive personalities exploiting the

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latest communications techniques to

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manipulate emotions and control reason

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and quote the book was published in wait

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for it 1970 now during my research over

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the last few years into the social media

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ingane unnamed kept popping up over and

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over in cute l in-q-tel is the venture

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capital and investment wing of the CIA

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yes the Central Intelligence Agency that

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CIA on their own website you get this

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mission statement on the home page quote

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iqt work side by side with the venture

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capital community to identify great

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start-up technology for our customers

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our areas of interest include cyber

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security biotechnology novel materials

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remote sensing deep learning for data

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analytics and much more

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end quote now I know that you probably

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remember my reporting along with Brian

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lund Duke about iqt and its ties to

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Pokemon go Google and Google Earth all

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tracking software to know where you are

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not necessarily where you want

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to go anyway I also looked into the

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urban legend of life log the DARPA

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project that was funded by iqt and that

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was closed down the same day that again

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wait for it the same day that Facebook

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launched well now if you go back and

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check like I did it seems to be true

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that date is right there but that is not

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what is most important what is important

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is that life log in Facebook are

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essentially the same things the same

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idea the same platform with one major

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difference log book did it on its own

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automatic systems log book did its own

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tracking of your life all of it and with

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facebook you input the information let

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me explain the life log platform would

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track you through sensors around the

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country on streets and stores online

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purchases your phone conversations your

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your snail mail your email and compile

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everything about you in a day-by-day

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logbook everything automatically

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Facebook does the very same thing except

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you are the one inputting the data you

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provide your location your activities

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your job your family friends co-workers

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likes dislikes politics or religion even

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the images you use as proof all of it

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you do the work you also allow Facebook

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to pinpoint your location but you do it

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with the same GPS technology originally

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funded by in coutelle in the CIA that's

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right it everything follows your

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purchases your habits its evil genius

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today with mass media and law

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enforcement you hear the same thing over

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and over when a story breaks you hear

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them say well you know we went and

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looked at their Facebook profile you

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need to really think about that with me

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I'm a little different whether I like it

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or not I'm a public figure and I get

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that

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my stuff is out there I'm easy to track

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and today I have no more secrets and I'm

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used to it

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but you know it includes my barbeque

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gatherings and my love of family and

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friends it's all there

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now if the media had to go back and

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check out my facebook page for whatever

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reason right

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you would probably hear well you know it

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seems that mr. Church has strange habits

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of grilling rib eyes and drinking

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chilled vodka and if you think about it

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at least I've got that going for me

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right back in 2004 I can see why life

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log was shut down in favor of Facebook

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for a few reasons first there was no

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need for log book and its method of data

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collection if Facebook was gonna have

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the population of the entire world do it

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for them and second it removes the legal

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issues for Facebook because all they

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have to say is you know we didn't

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collect it they just gave it to us but

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there is a third reason that probably

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wasn't as obvious in 2018 we have

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tracking sensors cameras live-streaming

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everywhere Plus every single aspect of

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our lives are connected to the internet

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that nobody dreamed of back in 2004 the

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Internet of Things it is here today

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there was no reason for life log because

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it already exists we give it to them

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with every smart TV purchase we do think

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about it now here's something else that

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is bothering me and it's the name and

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it's right there they're too close life

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log Facebook scramble them up a little

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bit and what do you get

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logbook is it just me right I don't

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think so I know it feels strange to you

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to and it should in Q tel facilitates

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venture capital and Facebook got it and

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I'm not saying that in-q-tel funded

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Facebook but the timing of the events is

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very suspect venture capital deals just

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don't happen overnight they are

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complex in-q-tel was out there looking

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for these types of projects and life log

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and Facebook overlapped what probably

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happened was that one was turned into

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the other money was routed names were

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changed but the project goal was the

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same to collect the daily activities

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habits and data on everyone now as crazy

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as all of this is you can go and do the

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research yourself but please you know

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remember searching for in-q-tel

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the CIA life log and Facebook will

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definitely put you on the radar and

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it'll be logged I did I was and you know

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what I'll do it again seriously just

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hearing me right now should scare you

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right it's like Burn After Reading you

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know well when I originally reported on

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this you know over three years ago I

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didn't care about getting this out to

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the public I just didn't I covered it up

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fade to black I covered it on coast to

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coast am and also my history series

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breaking mysterious and I'll continue to

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speak up I'll continue to speak out you

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know I'm already tracked

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I'm already monitored I've already filed

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and logged but the truth is much

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stranger than fiction and it's scarier

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to think about that alright I'm gonna

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get out of here our guest tonight is

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Steve Neal and I can't wait for this

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conversation I've been looking forward

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to this for a very long time tonight

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it's Steve Neal tomorrow night Laurie

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MacDonald is here and then of course on

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Wednesday Justin Benson and Aaron

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Moorhead the creators of the film the

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endless this is fade to black on the

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game changer networked in kgr a the

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planet I'm the host Jimmy Church I'll be

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right back with our guest Steve Neil

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[Music]

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy's George radio

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Neil tomorrow night Laurie McDonald

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Wednesday night filmmakers Justin Benson

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and Aaron Moorhead Thursday night fader

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night open lines all night long I'm your

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host Jimmy church tonight it is Steve

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Neil who is an artist he's a visual

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effects creator and filmmaker with over

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40 years of experience in film and

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television

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in 1971 he interned at America's auto in

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San Francisco with that's right Francis

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Ford Coppola he has worked on movies

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such as Star Trek the motion picture

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ghostbusters Fright Night and of course

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highway to hell I'm wondering if he

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remembers that he has worked and wrote

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and produced the feature film the day

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time ended his work has been seen

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worldwide on such shows as sightings

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paranormal borderline the History

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Channel's UFO FILES and the multitude of

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other documentaries he owns a film

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studio right here in Ventura California

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producing visual effects post production

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model miniatures and you need to go and

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take a tour of his studio and you can do

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that online and check out the work that

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he does it's absolutely incredible

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including creatures and prosthetic

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makeup stuff and it's absolutely

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incredible he's had lifelong experiences

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with non-human intelligence starting

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when he was six years old and he has

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just created written directed a new

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dramatic series about his experience he

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tells the story without theories or

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conjecture and folklore but rather an

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honest reporting of what he has

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experienced I have you can see the

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trailer and I have seen the first

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episode it's really well done also

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Yvonne Smith does a drive-by

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as well Ted I hope I didn't let the cat

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out of the bag at least too much here

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the series is called but something is

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there tonight we're gonna discuss

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Steve's life of contact making sci-fi

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films and what it's like to combine the

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two into a TV series based on his

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experiences with ET and I would like to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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black mr. Steve Neil Steve good evening

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good evening Jimmy thank you so much for

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having me on and God what an amazing

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introduction I'm much more excited about

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this than you are but before we get to

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it before we get to it Steve I've got to

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do the first-time guests disclaimer so

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let's get that out of the way you're

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right okay okay yeah it's just you and I

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where the

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we're game and his

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friends all right Zak see that was easy

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I'm very I can go anywhere with you but

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my first question is out of the gate the

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film highway to hell it's right there in

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your IMDB list it's one of my favorite

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little guilty pleasures and it's a film

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that I cannot find anymore do you

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remember doing the model-making on that

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film do you remember working on it well

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yeah I was working on the film for Randy

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Cook of course who worked on a lot of

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other big films like King Kong and Laura

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the rains and did Gollum and all that

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stuff but he had a small animation

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studio out here in fact real close to

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where I am now and he and I had been

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friends for years and we always worked

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together on projects so I helped him do

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he's a model making and assisting on

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animation and stuff like that so and I

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do remember it I remember it quite well

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but you know I hate to tell you this I

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never saw the film I did that a lot you

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know many movies that I just sort of a

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lot of them sometimes I didn't see but I

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was hoping your your your your favorite

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for

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was laser blast because that's the one I

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00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:38,490
always get asked about though I know

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laser blasts is great and and and the

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gun or about the laser gun the laser I

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don't know it's it it's almost a cannon

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I don't know I remember going over the

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full arm but yeah great great film but

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you are not now do I say the same things

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that you are saying all of my friends in

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the industry you know I'll go back and

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talk about things that they've nothing

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00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:08,430
to die cool I'm glad you liked it but it

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never saw it right

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and my new series on History Channel I

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haven't seen it I've seen you know I've

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seen them working on it I've seen him

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editing it I did the voice-over work

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I certainly shot it but I haven't seen

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it you know and and I totally with you

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I'm I'm totally with Nona it's called

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getting busy and we are both extremely

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busy and so it's it's really hard

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sometimes to to keep up with everything

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it's it's it's funny how I have I never

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thought that I would say these words but

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I have forgotten more than I remember

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in its it's really true we're closing in

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on nine hundred shows you know you need

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to really stop and think about that that

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that's just fade to black and then

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there's a couple of hundred other

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coast-to-coast and there's the

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television stuff I just I look back and

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00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:08,670
it's just a blur I don't I don't

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remember hardly any of it my memory is

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00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:15,090
is pretty sharp I mean I'm kind of

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cursed with a memory that remembers

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almost everything in my entire life day

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by day and you know what the lighting

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was at the particular time when that

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happened and so you know and yet there

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are some things that that were more

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recent and you know I have a little

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problem with that but overall especially

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in my career I remember most things and

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I bet you you didn't know that I was the

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alien in the beginning of laser blast

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yes I did know that Oh shucks yes I did

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00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:46,290
Oh somebody just posted laser blast

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00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:47,810
right here this is great

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00:38:52,660 --> 00:38:50,420
you got to love to our audience they are

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really really yeah see I would say that

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00:38:58,330 --> 00:38:55,850
that is a laser cannon yeah how would we

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00:39:01,840 --> 00:38:58,340
I'm recreating the gun right now for the

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00:39:04,990 --> 00:39:01,850
40th anniversary of laser blast

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00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:05,000
yeah and V Neil is going to come up here

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and put me back in the makeup and we're

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00:39:12,490 --> 00:39:09,500
gonna do a little video for the fans of

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00:39:15,370 --> 00:39:12,500
the film for the fortieth year I wanted

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00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:15,380
to ask you about that any relation we

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00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:18,050
were we were an item back in the early

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00:39:23,850 --> 00:39:21,290
70s and when I met her she was doing

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00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:23,860
makeup for a rock band called Zola Rex

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00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:27,950
and it was a space rock band really good

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00:39:31,330 --> 00:39:29,630
one too and she was doing their makeup

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00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:31,340
and it was mostly all straight make up

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00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,610
but we met and got together she was very

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00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,320
fascinated with the prosthetic work that

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00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:38,240
I was doing and I was just starting out

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00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:41,660
in town I was working on the planet TV

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00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:43,910
series and working for various people

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00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:45,110
around town because there weren't a lot

766
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:47,060
of people in those days that did

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00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:50,570
prosthetics I mean I was kind of on the

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00:39:55,930 --> 00:39:53,810
edge of a new frontier so and she very

769
00:39:58,810 --> 00:39:55,940
much liked putting the prosthetics on

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00:40:01,360 --> 00:39:58,820
now he is very talented I mean she can

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00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:01,370
draw she's a good illustrator she's

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00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,050
gonna kill me for saying this and she

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00:40:07,870 --> 00:40:05,440
can sculpt too but she never really

774
00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:07,880
wanted to pursue that part of it because

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00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,240
her expertise is taking a hunk of rubber

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00:40:16,570 --> 00:40:14,000
or a hunk of silicone and blending it

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00:40:19,540 --> 00:40:16,580
and coloring it so well into the actors

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00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:19,550
face that you forget it's makeup and

779
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:21,380
there are a few people in this town that

780
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:23,410
can do that and she's one of the best so

781
00:40:27,970 --> 00:40:25,550
we were together for a number of years

782
00:40:29,890 --> 00:40:27,980
we split up and we've always stayed

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00:40:33,940 --> 00:40:29,900
friends and work together in things and

784
00:40:37,570 --> 00:40:33,950
so that's it she won't wait wait wait

785
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,580
wait wait I'm here right right you got

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00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:39,200
together with somebody with the same

787
00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:44,030
last name no what happened was is that

788
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:46,430
she decided everyone thought we were

789
00:40:51,340 --> 00:40:47,810
married so we went with that and she

790
00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:51,350
used the last name oh now it makes it

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00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:52,700
because I would see her name all the

792
00:40:58,660 --> 00:40:55,910
time and yours and I thought that is

793
00:40:59,290 --> 00:40:58,670
absolutely bizarre now we've cleared

794
00:41:01,090 --> 00:40:59,300
that up

795
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:01,100
oh no she kept the name

796
00:41:04,180 --> 00:41:02,450
she asked me can I keep the name that

797
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,190
broke up since it better Hollywood name

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00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:07,040
and I said absolutely oh okay all right

799
00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:09,350
I'm very proud of her I mean she really

800
00:41:16,270 --> 00:41:12,920
really lots of talent she's one of the

801
00:41:18,490 --> 00:41:16,280
biggest makeup artists in the town yeah

802
00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:18,500
no doubt no doubt about that

803
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:21,800
oh yeah I thought I was losing my mind

804
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,610
okay so absolutely I'm so glad that we

805
00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:30,560
can move on now because I've had that

806
00:41:36,220 --> 00:41:33,320
question answered okay I mean you know

807
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:36,230
for those of us here in Hollywood and

808
00:41:42,340 --> 00:41:39,680
this is and I say this we're with

809
00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:42,350
respect to everybody that lives here and

810
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:44,120
in Hollywood in Southern California in

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Burbank studio cities so far that are in

812
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:49,430
the industry we are we're part of the

813
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:51,350
industry here because it's our lifestyle

814
00:41:58,930 --> 00:41:55,760
but we are film fanatics we are fans and

815
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,940
here in Hollywood we will say I mean at

816
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:00,560
the end of a film everybody sits around

817
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:03,110
and and reads the credits we're around

818
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:05,570
the country film and everybody gets up

819
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:09,680
and leaves not here and so we are we

820
00:42:15,310 --> 00:42:12,650
know who was working on what films and

821
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:15,320
it's it's because what we do you know

822
00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:19,010
it's absolutely true and think about the

823
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:23,470
last episode of the last season of

824
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:24,650
Westworld

825
00:42:28,510 --> 00:42:27,290
I checked up a lot of people I said do

826
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:28,520
you see the ending and they said oh yeah

827
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:30,170
I saw the ending I said did you sit all

828
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:31,490
the way through the credits they said

829
00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:33,140
well no I mean the myths grants world

830
00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:35,660
like I was done I said you didn't see

831
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:37,790
the ending and this is done quite often

832
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:39,890
it's a real pet peeve of mine drives me

833
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:41,330
straight up the walls I'll be out of

834
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:43,970
theater and up here in Ventura they just

835
00:42:47,590 --> 00:42:46,250
get up standing funnier go light up

836
00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:47,600
their cell phones and stuff and I'm

837
00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:49,430
trying to watch the credits the film's

838
00:42:54,670 --> 00:42:52,220
not over till the curtains closed that's

839
00:42:57,310 --> 00:42:54,680
right and it's I'm telling you if

840
00:42:59,620 --> 00:42:57,320
anybody ever questions what you and I

841
00:43:02,890 --> 00:42:59,630
are saying right now come to Burbank

842
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:02,900
we'll go to a MC 16 in downtown Burbank

843
00:43:10,450 --> 00:43:06,800
write that down from the bunker here and

844
00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:10,460
watch just see who leaves the film

845
00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:13,640
during the credits nobody everybody is

846
00:43:18,370 --> 00:43:16,040
sitting there and reading every word of

847
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:18,380
it it's just what we do it's what we do

848
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,750
because we know somebody at least one

849
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:22,400
person in there we're gonna know and so

850
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:24,310
we're we're kind of looking for that but

851
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:26,930
when we're up here Mary and I are the

852
00:43:31,570 --> 00:43:29,390
last people and they'll come in to clean

853
00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:31,580
the theater you know and go oh and back

854
00:43:34,450 --> 00:43:32,870
out because we're the last two people

855
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:34,460
sitting in there because Ventura is

856
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:37,760
really not a film down yeah I know you

857
00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:39,110
know I know stunt people I know

858
00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:41,060
special-effects people I know shading

859
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:44,270
people and lighting people of a special

860
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:47,690
effect I well as actors in all of that

861
00:43:53,170 --> 00:43:50,480
stuff but I will sit there and I will I

862
00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:53,180
will catch their names all the time from

863
00:43:58,060 --> 00:43:54,980
film to film to film to film and that's

864
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:58,070
the other thing that a lot of people

865
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:01,520
around the country don't realize there

866
00:44:08,890 --> 00:44:04,370
are maybe there's probably a hundred

867
00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:08,900
thousand actors here in Burbank 200 get

868
00:44:17,170 --> 00:44:14,150
the work yeah it is the same thing with

869
00:44:21,010 --> 00:44:17,180
sound and special effects and makeup and

870
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:21,020
stunts and camera work the good film

871
00:44:25,690 --> 00:44:22,700
crews though you know once your

872
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,700
reputation is established you jump from

873
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:27,440
film to film to film to film you are

874
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:30,650
never unemployed and those names repeat

875
00:44:35,830 --> 00:44:33,110
you know and once you see enough films

876
00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:35,840
and you're here you get to see that and

877
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:38,300
that's really it's that's really the

878
00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:41,450
truth also it's a frustration there are

879
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:43,640
actors here that will tell you man you

880
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:45,350
know I can't get work it's always the

881
00:44:51,370 --> 00:44:48,110
same people that are but that's just the

882
00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:51,380
film industry's the way it is welcome to

883
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,670
our business it is a tough one now it

884
00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:56,960
okay dude I just cut you off go ahead

885
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:58,250
Steve no no that's okay

886
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:00,140
I was just gonna pontificate it's fine

887
00:45:05,830 --> 00:45:03,800
that's go ahead but before we move on

888
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:05,840
we've got a lot to talk about with this

889
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,570
new series and your your life and what

890
00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:10,640
happened when you were six years old so

891
00:45:14,290 --> 00:45:12,200
we'll do that at the top of the hour I

892
00:45:18,190 --> 00:45:14,300
don't want to let one thing get away

893
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:18,200
from me your model making is

894
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:19,170
extraordinary

895
00:45:28,789 --> 00:45:24,089
and through one of the tours that you do

896
00:45:33,799 --> 00:45:28,799
online I didn't miss this there is the

897
00:45:37,099 --> 00:45:33,809
discovery from 2001 if I do visit your

898
00:45:38,839 --> 00:45:37,109
studio you better go back and check

899
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:38,849
after I drive away to make sure that

900
00:45:43,339 --> 00:45:40,500
that is still there I'm just telling you

901
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:43,349
right now it will fit in my car but

902
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:45,450
there it is the discovery and it's

903
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,240
absolutely incredible done with your

904
00:45:55,579 --> 00:45:51,599
level of detail and expertise but which

905
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:55,589
says to me that 2001 is fundamental to

906
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,200
you like it is to myself is it

907
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:01,440
oh absolutely that is the film that I

908
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:04,500
was it was 1968 when I saw it I was 16

909
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:06,660
and it was closest thing to a religious

910
00:46:10,339 --> 00:46:09,900
experience I've ever had it just blew my

911
00:46:14,359 --> 00:46:10,349
mind

912
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:14,369
and it set me on my career course then

913
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:17,160
I'm still doing to this day at 66 years

914
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:20,400
old I watch it all the time and here's

915
00:46:26,809 --> 00:46:24,180
my here's my secret for Rita and I will

916
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:26,819
put on the film we watch it I would say

917
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:28,950
at least once a month once a month for

918
00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:32,010
sure but this is what we do we put it on

919
00:46:39,339 --> 00:46:35,160
as we're going to bed and by the time

920
00:46:43,339 --> 00:46:39,349
Blue Danube strikes we're sleeping and

921
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:43,349
and the dreams that come off of that

922
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:48,930
film because it takes you where you need

923
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:52,260
to go and we do it all the time the the

924
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:56,460
the dreams that have happened for myself

925
00:46:59,809 --> 00:46:58,140
and Rita I mean I wake up the next

926
00:47:03,230 --> 00:46:59,819
morning and just talk about some crazy

927
00:47:05,569 --> 00:47:03,240
stuff and it's all because of 2001 and

928
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,579
the way that it's done it's a it's an

929
00:47:09,289 --> 00:47:07,200
amazing film and when you come here

930
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:09,299
you're gonna see other things like moon

931
00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:12,329
Watchers mask from the dawn of man

932
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:15,140
sequence in the star child from the end

933
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:17,730
figures of Gary Lockwood Gary Lockwood's

934
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:19,380
a friend of mine I've met him a few

935
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:21,780
years ago just by chance and he comes

936
00:47:26,359 --> 00:47:24,390
here and visits the studio fairly often

937
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,369
and the young people that I sometimes

938
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:28,559
have here he has a great time blowing

939
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:31,049
their minds he knows he lives up there

940
00:47:36,140 --> 00:47:32,910
doesn't he well actually

941
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:36,150
lives in Malibu but okay you know that's

942
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:38,940
it's it's not that far from here it's

943
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:43,800
about 25 minute drive so what about the

944
00:47:48,740 --> 00:47:46,200
the other aspects of it because you're a

945
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:48,750
model maker you're a builder and a

946
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:52,200
designer and when you look at that and

947
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:55,380
not only the model making but the fact

948
00:48:01,580 --> 00:47:57,450
that everything was shot on film

949
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:01,590
you know that's before the life of CG

950
00:48:11,330 --> 00:48:06,330
where we live today for sure how can it

951
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,340
can it ever be topped no they can't can

952
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:13,560
it no it's absolutely perfect

953
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:17,130
Doug Trumbull is a brilliant human being

954
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:21,480
and and not to mention Kubrick but the

955
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:23,370
nice thing is is that he had four years

956
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:25,140
to work on those effects and to do

957
00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:27,210
effects on that level using optical

958
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,300
printers and big size models against

959
00:48:35,090 --> 00:48:32,160
black screen and blue screen and in

960
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:35,100
doing mattes and pulling mattes and not

961
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:37,530
having matte lines jumping around the

962
00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:39,540
edges of the ships and stuff took

963
00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:42,630
incredible patience on such a level that

964
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:44,430
I've never seen because that film

965
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:45,900
absolutely holds up today and when I

966
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:47,910
show it to young people they don't

967
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:49,410
understand how that could have even been

968
00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:52,650
done back then it's it's it's been

969
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:56,180
talked about a lot but it is certainly

970
00:49:00,680 --> 00:48:59,160
one of the best films that you know it's

971
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:00,690
the greatest science fiction film ever

972
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:03,510
made I would I would know I'm sure that

973
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:06,210
you know in film school that's exactly

974
00:49:11,540 --> 00:49:08,850
what's talked about first is is the art

975
00:49:14,590 --> 00:49:11,550
of doing something like that but there's

976
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:14,600
also the other part is the storytelling

977
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:18,690
the science behind the film Kubrick's

978
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:22,020
attention to detail all combined all at

979
00:49:26,540 --> 00:49:25,230
one moment and as you know just like at

980
00:49:29,390 --> 00:49:26,550
the beginning of the film right the

981
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:29,400
Stars and the moon lined and that's what

982
00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:31,710
you get in the end is nearly perfection

983
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:34,350
and also Spock there a thruster which is

984
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:37,260
which is music about a human Superman

985
00:49:42,860 --> 00:49:40,310
and if you look at the real story behind

986
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:42,870
2001 it's so pertinent today and

987
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:45,180
specially to my experience to wit least

988
00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:46,440
Reavers experience and so

989
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:48,300
many others they're having these

990
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:50,970
experiences with this sort of hidden in

991
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:53,220
the shadows intelligence that was

992
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:55,530
represented by the monolith so there's a

993
00:50:00,620 --> 00:49:58,380
big correlation between this film and my

994
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:00,630
own experiences which is why I was so

995
00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:03,599
drawn to it I learned much later on now

996
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:06,300
I wanted to ask you this as well with

997
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:09,240
we've got got about 8 minutes before the

998
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:12,410
break we should be able to get this in

999
00:50:19,339 --> 00:50:16,770
the model of discovery that was used in

1000
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:19,349
the film and what you have there in your

1001
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,680
studio how big was the model for the

1002
00:50:27,970 --> 00:50:25,200
film for the film I believe it was 50

1003
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:27,980
feet long they also had a smaller one

1004
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:30,839
but the but the big one was 50 feet it

1005
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:33,599
was it was a monster so but you need

1006
00:50:41,420 --> 00:50:38,339
that to get scale you know smaller

1007
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:41,430
models today will work better with the

1008
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:44,040
cameras and the technology we have but

1009
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:46,980
back then he wanted everything as big as

1010
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:48,780
it could be so he could get real scale

1011
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:52,020
out of it in real detail that's why it

1012
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,079
bends yeah it's what happens when you

1013
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:01,920
have that depth of field your version of

1014
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:04,680
it there how many feet long is that I

1015
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:06,839
think it's like three and a half feet or

1016
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:08,690
something like that it's a model that

1017
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:12,420
Mobius puts out it's a Mobius model

1018
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,210
company and they put out a lot of sci-fi

1019
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:18,000
models that are very very well done and

1020
00:51:23,809 --> 00:51:21,300
from Star Trek - now 2001 and in fact

1021
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:23,819
they have a large scale evie a pod

1022
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:25,530
coming out next that I can't wait to get

1023
00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:30,180
my hands on so when you I want you to

1024
00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:33,270
help me out with this with with what

1025
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:36,270
Lucas did in Star Wars and then going

1026
00:51:40,819 --> 00:51:39,180
back to because that model-making is

1027
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,829
extraordinary and then going back to

1028
00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:43,680
2001 I mean I had no idea that the

1029
00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:45,660
discovery was 50 feet I thought it was

1030
00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:48,390
10 or maybe 12 I didn't realize it was

1031
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:51,990
55 stories long at that's it that's

1032
00:51:59,240 --> 00:51:56,609
ginormous so what about the level of

1033
00:51:59,900 --> 00:51:59,250
detail I mean are they designing this

1034
00:52:02,510 --> 00:51:59,910
with their

1035
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:02,520
right up on the model or they are they

1036
00:52:07,359 --> 00:52:06,180
are they working at it from you know

1037
00:52:09,799 --> 00:52:07,369
further back

1038
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:09,809
you mean the plastic model kit that I

1039
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:11,970
have no no I mean just when you are

1040
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,690
designing for film oh well I mean if you

1041
00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:17,520
take Star Wars which wasn't you know

1042
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:19,380
what that was like ten years later

1043
00:52:26,059 --> 00:52:24,000
roughly the models for the x-wings were

1044
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:26,069
quite small and a lot of the other

1045
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:29,190
models now I was at the place where they

1046
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:31,049
were shooting those miniatures and of

1047
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:33,089
course the trench was large and parts of

1048
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:35,160
the Death Star were large-scale but the

1049
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:37,380
actual x-wings I'm looking at one right

1050
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:39,780
now because I have a studio scale x-wing

1051
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:40,380
of course

1052
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:43,500
and yeah it's about two and a half feet

1053
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:47,369
long or so and and highly detailed you

1054
00:52:53,539 --> 00:52:51,210
know so when you know if I'm gonna do a

1055
00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:53,549
shoot and I'm gonna have models I still

1056
00:52:58,220 --> 00:52:56,220
wanted to be as big as I can do within

1057
00:53:00,049 --> 00:52:58,230
reason because you just get more scale

1058
00:53:02,059 --> 00:53:00,059
out of it and then there's you know

1059
00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:02,069
things like you know the laser blast gun

1060
00:53:10,940 --> 00:53:06,990
or or a face or a mask again are you

1061
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:10,950
doing that to to convince somebody if

1062
00:53:15,980 --> 00:53:13,410
they were up really close or you just

1063
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:15,990
you know consciously designing for the

1064
00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:17,400
camera and how it's gonna shoot from

1065
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:18,950
five or ten feet away

1066
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:22,770
well now that today everything is 4k and

1067
00:53:27,859 --> 00:53:25,609
moving up to a K when we shoot mm-hmm

1068
00:53:31,220 --> 00:53:27,869
outputting we're outputting to 2k and 4k

1069
00:53:32,839 --> 00:53:31,230
but we like to have as much real estate

1070
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:32,849
as we can we're shooting to work in

1071
00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:35,940
effects everything has to look real as

1072
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:38,430
if you're standing in front of it two

1073
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:40,770
feet away you know if a person's made up

1074
00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:43,710
to look like an old person or a creature

1075
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:45,960
or an alien or anything like that it has

1076
00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:47,730
to look real in person or it's not gonna

1077
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,900
hold up on film do you have do you have

1078
00:53:56,359 --> 00:53:54,000
one last quick question before the break

1079
00:53:59,210 --> 00:53:56,369
do you have a favor project but before

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00:54:02,180 --> 00:53:59,220
you say laser blast is there is there

1081
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:02,190
one thing out there that that says Steve

1082
00:54:12,539 --> 00:54:09,450
Neil for you geez you know my okay yes

1083
00:54:14,789 --> 00:54:12,549
it my first great experience

1084
00:54:16,289 --> 00:54:14,799
was my first film but it was my first

1085
00:54:20,279 --> 00:54:16,299
big film with Star Trek the motion

1086
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:20,289
picture and I was friends with Fred

1087
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:22,209
Phillips did the make up on the original

1088
00:54:27,329 --> 00:54:23,670
Star Trek series in the Outer Limits

1089
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:27,339
incredibly wonderful human being called

1090
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:28,689
me up one day and they thought was

1091
00:54:31,499 --> 00:54:30,249
playing a joke on me and said you want

1092
00:54:33,749 --> 00:54:31,509
to work in Star Trek and I said well

1093
00:54:35,489 --> 00:54:33,759
Fred come on it start tricks been off

1094
00:54:38,370 --> 00:54:35,499
for years and I says no we're making a

1095
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:38,380
film I said what you making a movie Star

1096
00:54:41,819 --> 00:54:39,849
Trek the motion picture I needed to come

1097
00:54:45,029 --> 00:54:41,829
down here and the first thing he had me

1098
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,039
do was Leonard Nimoy Spock Harrison and

1099
00:54:50,130 --> 00:54:47,920
I still get chills thinking about that

1100
00:54:52,709 --> 00:54:50,140
today because I grew up with 2001 and

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00:54:55,529 --> 00:54:52,719
Star Trek and my favorite character of

1102
00:54:58,199 --> 00:54:55,539
course was Leonard Nimoy as mr. Spock

1103
00:55:00,479 --> 00:54:58,209
and that was my first job so I got to

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00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:00,489
work with that original cast Gene

1105
00:55:05,339 --> 00:55:03,130
Roddenberry and Robert Wise that said

1106
00:55:07,769 --> 00:55:05,349
Steve Neil that was an amazing moment my

1107
00:55:09,660 --> 00:55:07,779
career career and I think about it

1108
00:55:15,539 --> 00:55:09,670
almost every day how old were you

1109
00:55:17,099 --> 00:55:15,549
I don't know 25 26 right around in there

1110
00:55:20,009 --> 00:55:17,109
and that's insane

1111
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:20,019
yeah and I remember the night I was

1112
00:55:24,089 --> 00:55:22,209
there late at Paramount and sculpting

1113
00:55:27,179 --> 00:55:24,099
the ears and the shadow blocks my light

1114
00:55:29,489 --> 00:55:27,189
and I hear this voice are those my ears

1115
00:55:31,739 --> 00:55:29,499
and I looked up and there's Nimoy

1116
00:55:33,449 --> 00:55:31,749
standing over me and I you know I get

1117
00:55:37,410 --> 00:55:33,459
any chills right now because you know

1118
00:55:39,989 --> 00:55:37,420
Star Trek's like 2001 is very important

1119
00:55:42,569 --> 00:55:39,999
to me and I love gene and I love the

1120
00:55:43,650 --> 00:55:42,579
original Star Trek so much I was blessed

1121
00:55:48,029 --> 00:55:43,660
to be part of that

1122
00:55:51,689 --> 00:55:48,039
have you seen Star Trek continues the TV

1123
00:55:56,099 --> 00:55:51,699
series oh yes friends with thick yeah

1124
00:55:57,929 --> 00:55:56,109
that's it's wonderful he's uh he's been

1125
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:57,939
on the show with us a couple of times my

1126
00:56:03,179 --> 00:56:00,640
pal yeah yeah I've had him on a coast to

1127
00:56:07,169 --> 00:56:03,189
coast to I even had you know what your

1128
00:56:12,419 --> 00:56:07,179
your valley guy I went to Vic and I went

1129
00:56:16,019 --> 00:56:12,429
out and had dinner at Jerry's deli in

1130
00:56:19,949 --> 00:56:16,029
Studio City Jerry's deli I got to sit

1131
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:19,959
with Vic for for about three hours and

1132
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:23,410
and just talk Star Trek and and well

1133
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:25,209
other things too as well and we ate and

1134
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:26,370
had fun but

1135
00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:29,880
but he is such a talent and and the yes

1136
00:56:37,820 --> 00:56:33,840
that work and the way what their their

1137
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:37,830
love of the original series and how they

1138
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:41,730
do that is is just amazing I'm still

1139
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:43,890
blown away every time I see it oh yeah

1140
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:45,930
and you know he's always wanted to use I

1141
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:48,210
built this big six-foot long model of

1142
00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:50,700
the original enterprise from scratch and

1143
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,220
it's the exact to the original tv-show

1144
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:55,440
model he's always wanted to use it in

1145
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:58,260
the show somehow and you've also got

1146
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:00,180
you've got to you've got the captain's

1147
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:03,090
chair - yes I built one of those - so

1148
00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:07,380
man I want to be you just whatever I've

1149
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:09,270
got to take a break right here but you

1150
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:12,330
know because of your creativity pretty

1151
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:15,110
much if you think that you can do it

1152
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:17,940
yeah pretty much I I haven't been able

1153
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:19,650
to build my own rocket ship and go to

1154
00:57:24,590 --> 00:57:22,130
Mars myself that I'm still working on it

1155
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:24,600
let's take a break right here our guest

1156
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:27,900
tonight Steve meal.now when we come back

1157
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:31,140
he's got a new TV series he's got a new

1158
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:34,680
series that he's worked very hard to get

1159
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:38,010
out and the first episode is finished

1160
00:57:42,910 --> 00:57:39,420
we're gonna talk about that it's called

1161
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:42,920
but something is there and it's about

1162
00:57:47,330 --> 00:57:45,990
himself we'll talk about all of that we

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00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:47,340
get back this is fade to black I'm

1164
00:58:02,860 --> 00:57:49,250
little Timmy Church stay with us

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00:58:06,970 --> 00:58:05,130
[Music]

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00:58:09,130 --> 00:58:06,980
this is fade to black

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00:58:12,790 --> 00:58:09,140
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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00:58:14,579 --> 00:58:12,800
radio network at K GRA the global radio

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00:58:17,890 --> 00:58:14,589
Alliance

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00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:17,900
this is K GRA digital broadcasting

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00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:21,230
station Salt Lake City Utah Van Buren

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00:58:25,660 --> 00:58:23,570
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00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,670
crawlspace have a damp musty smell well

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00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:27,440
watch out that's a sign of too much

1175
00:58:31,420 --> 00:58:29,570
moisture and not enough ventilation and

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00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:31,430
that can mean increased mold growth and

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00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:33,530
the build-up of harmful toxins and gases

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don't bother with a dehumidifier it just

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00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:37,970
circulates the same unhealthy air now

1180
00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:39,770
there's a better way to remove these

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00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:41,630
dangers and odors it's with the

1182
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computerized wave moisture control unit

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that reduces moisture and expels

1184
00:58:49,450 --> 00:58:47,450
pollutants we replaced our old

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00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:49,460
dehumidifier with the wave unit and in

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00:58:54,099 --> 00:58:51,710
only three weeks our basement is dry and

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00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:54,109
the musty smell is gone wave units

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water or filters and costs only pennies

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hi this is Ray sobs here reppin the

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00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:33,660
planet and you're listening to my good

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friend Jimmy Church fade to black

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:39,210
on the GameChanger network and the kgr a

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:43,770
digital broadcast station this is Toby

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00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:45,930
Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy Church

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01:00:06,560 --> 00:59:47,390
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01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:06,570
Jimmy Revolution this is Micah Hanks of

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:08,190
the graylien report and you're listening

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01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:10,650
to Jimmy church on fade to black across

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01:00:15,050 --> 01:00:12,330
the globe on the GameChanger radio

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:40,030
welcome back beta-blocker museum you

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01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:42,390
Church our guest tonight Steve Neal

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01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:45,970
filmmaker special effects guru I don't

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01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:48,910
use those terms lightly and this segment

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Steve Neil & Steve okay all right I

1223
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:11,050
don't know let's clear something up

1224
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:14,290
really quick for everybody is the first

1225
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:17,680
episode of but some but something is

1226
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:21,370
there available to view no not right now

1227
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:24,160
I've been sharing it with people in the

1228
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:28,930
community and other filmmakers to get

1229
01:01:34,500 --> 01:01:31,570
feedback and to spread it far and wide

1230
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:34,510
as I can and we're also going to be

1231
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:39,850
having some screenings locally in in

1232
01:01:45,180 --> 01:01:43,450
town in fact and if I have a second year

1233
01:01:50,070 --> 01:01:45,190
because I know Steve marilla's gonna

1234
01:01:56,820 --> 01:01:50,080
kill me I'm gonna tell you the name of

1235
01:01:58,290 --> 01:01:56,830
the of the views yeah I I keep okay

1236
01:02:01,590 --> 01:01:58,300
there we are UFO and Paranormal Research

1237
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:01,600
Society growing and it's Steve Murillo

1238
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:05,530
and at the at the United Church in

1239
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,170
Studio City that's it you know all about

1240
01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:10,960
it so on that August 21st we are going

1241
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:13,150
to have a screening there Vaughn's gonna

1242
01:02:16,410 --> 01:02:14,710
join me and so we're gonna have a little

1243
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:16,420
presentation and talk to the audience

1244
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:18,910
and then run the film so and we'll be

1245
01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:22,030
doing this as often as we are asked to

1246
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:23,830
do it depending on you know whether

1247
01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:26,290
MUFON has this speak in Orange County or

1248
01:02:31,290 --> 01:02:28,540
or something like that

1249
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:31,300
meanwhile we are working on getting the

1250
01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:33,250
money together because this was all

1251
01:02:38,130 --> 01:02:35,830
self-financed the first one i spent my

1252
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:38,140
own money both Mary and I to get this

1253
01:02:45,330 --> 01:02:43,570
produced so we're gonna get money to do

1254
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:45,340
five more episodes and then it's going

1255
01:02:49,390 --> 01:02:48,160
to go to Amazon where where it'll be

1256
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:49,400
streamed it hopefully peep

1257
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:51,650
like it well enough that that we can do

1258
01:02:55,150 --> 01:02:52,640
a second season

1259
01:02:58,510 --> 01:02:55,160
now reason that we did not take

1260
01:03:01,120 --> 01:02:58,520
financing for the first episode is

1261
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:01,130
because my fear was as this happened so

1262
01:03:08,050 --> 01:03:04,310
often with this field of interest is

1263
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:08,060
that Hollywood thinks it's all a joke

1264
01:03:11,230 --> 01:03:09,650
and they try to turn into science

1265
01:03:13,090 --> 01:03:11,240
fiction and horror which they did a

1266
01:03:15,490 --> 01:03:13,100
really good job of with fire in the sky

1267
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:15,500
as one example you know because if

1268
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:17,930
you've read Travis's book and then you

1269
01:03:23,950 --> 01:03:20,960
see the film it's like that's it's a WTF

1270
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:23,960
moment so and this happens quite often

1271
01:03:28,780 --> 01:03:26,270
and so we wanted to I wanted to do this

1272
01:03:31,150 --> 01:03:28,790
honestly based on my experiences best I

1273
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:31,160
could it was a struggle because you know

1274
01:03:36,610 --> 01:03:33,650
we had a low budget and we could only

1275
01:03:39,340 --> 01:03:36,620
work with some of the people on weekends

1276
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:39,350
and it so it took a while to do now it's

1277
01:03:48,210 --> 01:03:43,760
shot really well and but my question

1278
01:03:50,830 --> 01:03:48,220
which is a very direct one you are

1279
01:03:53,650 --> 01:03:50,840
exposing yourself alright you're letting

1280
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:53,660
it out that's it you know it's all right

1281
01:04:00,880 --> 01:03:57,680
there how comfortable are you do you

1282
01:04:05,050 --> 01:04:00,890
wince a little bit in that if this is

1283
01:04:07,930 --> 01:04:05,060
this is your story yeah I you know I

1284
01:04:09,610 --> 01:04:07,940
give me ice I started I came forward

1285
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:09,620
about my experiences when I first

1286
01:04:16,090 --> 01:04:11,150
started working with the Vaughan Smith

1287
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:16,100
back in 1990 right I had done a lot of

1288
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:18,650
illustrations of the greys that I've

1289
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,690
seen which now become iconic today

1290
01:04:25,570 --> 01:04:22,400
everybody borrowed from it I never

1291
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:25,580
thought to to trade market or copyright

1292
01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:28,640
the images that I did in so even

1293
01:04:34,810 --> 01:04:33,260
Alienware has used it so and so and I

1294
01:04:37,180 --> 01:04:34,820
had went on a number of television

1295
01:04:39,100 --> 01:04:37,190
programs and I was on sightings and

1296
01:04:40,780 --> 01:04:39,110
additionally I worked for sightings and

1297
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:40,790
did the recreations and built the

1298
01:04:45,130 --> 01:04:43,610
puppets at the Grays and did artwork and

1299
01:04:46,990 --> 01:04:45,140
many many other programs there was

1300
01:04:49,710 --> 01:04:47,000
another program called the other side

1301
01:04:52,270 --> 01:04:49,720
which is a morning paranormal talk show

1302
01:04:55,180 --> 01:04:52,280
that I went on with carla turner and

1303
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:55,190
some of the other greats of that era and

1304
01:04:59,410 --> 01:04:57,410
so I was all over the place you know

1305
01:05:03,200 --> 01:04:59,420
Whitley and I appeared many times

1306
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:03,210
together so I'm used to it

1307
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:05,369
I did a lot of radio and they did da

1308
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:07,290
Decker's program and a lot of other

1309
01:05:15,700 --> 01:05:09,450
stuff so I haven't really not that shy

1310
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,710
about it tell us about the the first

1311
01:05:20,810 --> 01:05:18,240
because it's it's portrayed really what

1312
01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:20,820
nobody's seen it but me as far as my

1313
01:05:28,250 --> 01:05:23,700
audience goes haha so I've got that

1314
01:05:31,540 --> 01:05:28,260
going for me but the scene that first

1315
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:31,550
night you're 6 years old you're in bed

1316
01:05:36,829 --> 01:05:34,170
I'll let you take it from there but I

1317
01:05:39,170 --> 01:05:36,839
just wanted to make this comment the way

1318
01:05:42,410 --> 01:05:39,180
that you shot it I know that that's

1319
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:42,420
exactly how it went down and I thought

1320
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:46,650
back to my life you know like everybody

1321
01:05:51,260 --> 01:05:48,210
would and think and put yourself in a

1322
01:05:54,140 --> 01:05:51,270
six-year-olds mindset it's actually a

1323
01:05:56,810 --> 01:05:54,150
pretty terrifying scene take us through

1324
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:56,820
that and just just start from when

1325
01:06:02,450 --> 01:06:00,420
you're in bed yeah well you know I was

1326
01:06:05,450 --> 01:06:02,460
in bed in the thing about San Francisco

1327
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:05,460
and and in one of the things I noticed

1328
01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:08,940
watching it again recently is that when

1329
01:06:13,579 --> 01:06:11,910
we had the film recut the editor forgot

1330
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:13,589
to put in the sound effects of San

1331
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:17,070
Francisco but you could hear where I was

1332
01:06:23,390 --> 01:06:21,690
living was was near old play on and near

1333
01:06:25,790 --> 01:06:23,400
the Cliff House that was that close to

1334
01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:25,800
the water in 47th Avenue Richmond

1335
01:06:29,210 --> 01:06:28,140
District of San Francisco and you could

1336
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:29,220
hear the ocean

1337
01:06:34,780 --> 01:06:32,400
you could hear ships and their horns and

1338
01:06:37,550 --> 01:06:34,790
the Boies you could hear a lot of things

1339
01:06:40,550 --> 01:06:37,560
and even if it was late at night there

1340
01:06:47,150 --> 01:06:40,560
was still a real ambience of sound what

1341
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:47,160
woke me up was the absolute silence no

1342
01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:51,119
sound at all nothing I mean I could hear

1343
01:06:56,690 --> 01:06:53,220
myself breathe and I could feel my heart

1344
01:06:58,820 --> 01:06:56,700
beating but that's what woke me up and

1345
01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:58,830
it made me very very curious and I

1346
01:07:01,940 --> 01:07:00,420
remember looking over the edge of the

1347
01:07:03,490 --> 01:07:01,950
bed and looking around the room and

1348
01:07:06,980 --> 01:07:03,500
that's when it happened and these lights

1349
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:06,990
beams of lights very coherent beams of

1350
01:07:12,170 --> 01:07:09,420
light silently came into the room and

1351
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:12,180
started searching around this fascinated

1352
01:07:16,970 --> 01:07:15,210
me it gave me the chills yes it was it

1353
01:07:19,609 --> 01:07:16,980
was a little scary

1354
01:07:21,290 --> 01:07:19,619
you know I was always a kid that loved

1355
01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:21,300
looking at the Stars and looking through

1356
01:07:28,250 --> 01:07:23,160
telescopes and just had this fascination

1357
01:07:30,140 --> 01:07:28,260
with the universe so I got out of bed it

1358
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:30,150
being cautious I stayed close to the

1359
01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:33,660
wall and inched along until I got to the

1360
01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:35,550
windowsill and then I slowly but surely

1361
01:07:40,730 --> 01:07:38,040
creeped up to look to see where the

1362
01:07:42,859 --> 01:07:40,740
source of lights was coming from and

1363
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:42,869
when I did he was though they had an

1364
01:07:46,550 --> 01:07:44,880
intelligence behind him they knew I was

1365
01:07:51,050 --> 01:07:46,560
there because they immediately sent it

1366
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:51,060
on me that gave me a zing and now I was

1367
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:53,609
a little scared because I knew something

1368
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,200
intelligent was behind it so I ran well

1369
01:08:02,030 --> 01:08:00,480
crawled under my desk I hid it in my

1370
01:08:03,859 --> 01:08:02,040
desk and I thought it was safe there I

1371
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:03,869
thought you know these lights are

1372
01:08:07,130 --> 01:08:05,460
outside the building how they gonna get

1373
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:07,140
in the room and help stay there until

1374
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:10,490
they leave and no they came in the room

1375
01:08:16,099 --> 01:08:13,290
somehow and and they came closer and

1376
01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:16,109
closer and then that's what I saw this

1377
01:08:22,729 --> 01:08:20,940
shadow eating image figure materialized

1378
01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:22,739
and that's when I first time I saw

1379
01:08:28,220 --> 01:08:24,750
something that we know today to be a

1380
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:28,230
gray and it came close to me and one of

1381
01:08:31,579 --> 01:08:29,759
the things I left out of the film

1382
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:31,589
because it just didn't work every time I

1383
01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:34,080
try putting a person's voice in there it

1384
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:36,450
didn't have a breathless feel to it

1385
01:08:40,570 --> 01:08:39,210
I felt it inside of me and it said we're

1386
01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:40,580
not gonna hurt you

1387
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:44,040
don't be afraid were you right you know

1388
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:50,690
well I'm kind of there right now because

1389
01:08:58,099 --> 01:08:52,890
like I told you I have I have one heck

1390
01:08:59,539 --> 01:08:58,109
of a memory and I was deeply fascinated

1391
01:09:02,960 --> 01:08:59,549
I really wanted to know what was going

1392
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:02,970
on I was afraid go definitely I mean how

1393
01:09:09,019 --> 01:09:06,210
could you not be but my curiosity was

1394
01:09:12,769 --> 01:09:09,029
actually stronger the next thing I knew

1395
01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:12,779
I woke up on on the floor in front of my

1396
01:09:25,099 --> 01:09:19,230
mom and dad's bed the I want to back up

1397
01:09:27,380 --> 01:09:25,109
also there was another and the reason

1398
01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:27,390
why I'm asking you is because I know

1399
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:29,390
that everything is

1400
01:09:35,130 --> 01:09:32,330
is portrayed as it happiness and it's

1401
01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:35,140
not Hollywood eyes are sensationalized

1402
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:38,510
so knowing that in advance when I'm

1403
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:40,370
watching this I'm paying attention to

1404
01:09:44,620 --> 01:09:42,170
what is going on because I realized this

1405
01:09:50,020 --> 01:09:44,630
is a real experience that is being

1406
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:50,030
portrayed the there were hands on the

1407
01:09:55,630 --> 01:09:53,690
window okay and in the you know what I'm

1408
01:09:58,780 --> 01:09:55,640
talking about

1409
01:10:01,900 --> 01:09:58,790
did you do you saw that as a

1410
01:10:03,580 --> 01:10:01,910
six-year-old the I you know you're

1411
01:10:05,230 --> 01:10:03,590
seeing something I didn't see because

1412
01:10:06,850 --> 01:10:05,240
you're saying that there were hands in

1413
01:10:10,210 --> 01:10:06,860
the window the window I was looking

1414
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:10,220
through after you got underneath the

1415
01:10:16,330 --> 01:10:14,570
desk well we saw the hands of the of the

1416
01:10:22,330 --> 01:10:16,340
gray or the yes yes that's what I'm

1417
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:22,340
referring to yes yes and that how as a

1418
01:10:28,330 --> 01:10:26,000
six-year-old what was going through your

1419
01:10:31,390 --> 01:10:28,340
mind at that moment because I can only

1420
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:31,400
imagine the adrenaline you know your

1421
01:10:35,380 --> 01:10:33,170
heart must have just about leaped out of

1422
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:35,390
your chest you can't show that how the

1423
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:37,850
film what was going through your mind

1424
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:41,690
cuz it that that moment really really

1425
01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:45,530
grabbed me well you know I was

1426
01:10:50,740 --> 01:10:48,230
frightened and I and I was to a point

1427
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:50,750
where my mind was struggling to stay

1428
01:10:54,700 --> 01:10:52,730
awake and I was fighting something that

1429
01:10:57,700 --> 01:10:54,710
was overcoming me and I just felt like I

1430
01:11:00,700 --> 01:10:57,710
was going to black out and I did and and

1431
01:11:02,860 --> 01:11:00,710
you know you've heard this before but I

1432
01:11:05,620 --> 01:11:02,870
I really wanted to stay awake to find

1433
01:11:07,930 --> 01:11:05,630
out what this was why it was happening

1434
01:11:10,510 --> 01:11:07,940
but I also had this very strong feeling

1435
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,520
that this was not the first time this

1436
01:11:17,170 --> 01:11:12,080
was the first time I remember it

1437
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:17,180
happening the memory that you had when

1438
01:11:24,970 --> 01:11:23,210
you woke up how crystal clear was it it

1439
01:11:26,980 --> 01:11:24,980
was very crystal clear but I couldn't

1440
01:11:29,050 --> 01:11:26,990
remember anything else that happened and

1441
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:29,060
this is where sometimes hypnosis can

1442
01:11:36,090 --> 01:11:34,010
help but I couldn't remember much more

1443
01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:36,100
did you discuss it

1444
01:11:43,299 --> 01:11:41,390
no absolutely not I was a pretty smart

1445
01:11:47,649 --> 01:11:43,309
kid probably a lot smarter than I am

1446
01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:47,659
but I hate I just I just knew that if I

1447
01:11:51,219 --> 01:11:50,030
talked about this and now again this

1448
01:11:53,939 --> 01:11:51,229
could have been something they have to

1449
01:11:56,770 --> 01:11:53,949
do with with the visitors themselves

1450
01:11:58,449 --> 01:11:56,780
warning me not to talk about it but I

1451
01:12:00,000 --> 01:11:58,459
knew I shouldn't talk about it because

1452
01:12:01,959 --> 01:12:00,010
if I did

1453
01:12:02,969 --> 01:12:01,969
people might think there's something

1454
01:12:07,059 --> 01:12:02,979
wrong with me

1455
01:12:10,659 --> 01:12:07,069
and so it was my little secret Brian you

1456
01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:10,669
know there's uh I don't want to jump

1457
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:12,289
ahead because I'm gonna come back and

1458
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:15,199
discuss this a little bit further but

1459
01:12:21,489 --> 01:12:18,050
there is the title which is but

1460
01:12:23,109 --> 01:12:21,499
something is there and what where did

1461
01:12:25,629 --> 01:12:23,119
the title come from I'll let you go

1462
01:12:27,489 --> 01:12:25,639
ahead and explain well you're gonna love

1463
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:27,499
this one because you know her friends

1464
01:12:33,790 --> 01:12:31,489
with Whitley too but I was at Lima Klaus

1465
01:12:35,770 --> 01:12:33,800
Keys house and Whitley will always tell

1466
01:12:39,549 --> 01:12:35,780
me when he's gonna go there it's close

1467
01:12:42,699 --> 01:12:39,559
by than me and and he has events there

1468
01:12:45,339 --> 01:12:42,709
and Whitley was speaker that night so I

1469
01:12:47,109 --> 01:12:45,349
went there and Mary went with me and at

1470
01:12:48,969 --> 01:12:47,119
that point we were just developing this

1471
01:12:50,770 --> 01:12:48,979
and we the original title was the

1472
01:12:52,509 --> 01:12:50,780
experience but you know Jeremy's got

1473
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:52,519
that title for a show and I didn't want

1474
01:12:55,989 --> 01:12:54,169
to use that and then we had other titles

1475
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:55,999
and somebody at that and who were really

1476
01:13:00,759 --> 01:12:58,719
in a conundrum about the whole thing and

1477
01:13:02,409 --> 01:13:00,769
so we're sitting there listening to

1478
01:13:06,250 --> 01:13:02,419
Whitley talk and what Whitley started to

1479
01:13:09,069 --> 01:13:06,260
speak about was the fact that we really

1480
01:13:10,869 --> 01:13:09,079
don't know what we're dealing with we

1481
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:10,879
don't know what this intelligence is we

1482
01:13:15,459 --> 01:13:12,800
don't know where it's from we don't know

1483
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:15,469
what it means particularly only that

1484
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:19,489
it's real and then he said but something

1485
01:13:23,649 --> 01:13:20,719
is there hmm

1486
01:13:25,629 --> 01:13:23,659
and he doesn't remember it which is

1487
01:13:28,389 --> 01:13:25,639
funny he takes my word for it I said

1488
01:13:29,739 --> 01:13:28,399
you're the creator of the title Mary and

1489
01:13:32,619 --> 01:13:29,749
I looked at each other and said that's

1490
01:13:34,689 --> 01:13:32,629
it that's just like the most perfect

1491
01:13:39,429 --> 01:13:34,699
title he could possibly have because it

1492
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:39,439
really describes it quite well and I

1493
01:13:43,899 --> 01:13:41,449
don't know exactly what I'm dealing with

1494
01:13:47,589 --> 01:13:43,909
I can tell you what I think I can tell

1495
01:13:50,639 --> 01:13:47,599
you or how I feel but I you know I don't

1496
01:13:54,609 --> 01:13:50,649
know where it's from and I don't know

1497
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:54,619
particularly if what I'm seeing is

1498
01:13:59,560 --> 01:13:56,610
actually truly physically

1499
01:14:01,760 --> 01:13:59,570
I'm seeing or it's a projection you know

1500
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:01,770
and we're not seeing what's really

1501
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:08,130
behind the curtain the the the feelings

1502
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:12,320
can also change over the years and I

1503
01:14:17,689 --> 01:14:15,090
think that well you know you're friends

1504
01:14:22,459 --> 01:14:17,699
with Whitley and and and so am i and

1505
01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:22,469
I've discussed this with him a lot his I

1506
01:14:29,390 --> 01:14:25,739
think his feelings have also changed as

1507
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:29,400
to what he had experienced not only in

1508
01:14:37,930 --> 01:14:31,170
the distant past but continues to this

1509
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:41,810
developed into two other opinions and

1510
01:14:46,669 --> 01:14:44,610
ideas is it the same thing for you now

1511
01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:46,679
too as well did you go from one extreme

1512
01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:50,520
to another trying to figure this out yes

1513
01:14:55,129 --> 01:14:53,400
I did I always tried to keep an open

1514
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:55,139
mind to my own experience and always

1515
01:15:01,760 --> 01:14:57,360
tried to be have a healthy skepticism

1516
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:01,770
about it too and try to eliminate all

1517
01:15:06,220 --> 01:15:03,810
the possibilities of what could be

1518
01:15:09,410 --> 01:15:06,230
causing me to have these experiences

1519
01:15:13,820 --> 01:15:09,420
which I really was never able to quite

1520
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:13,830
do and in fact you know up to 1987 when

1521
01:15:18,919 --> 01:15:17,250
communion came out I knew something was

1522
01:15:21,410 --> 01:15:18,929
up I knew something was going on but I

1523
01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:21,420
still had not talked to anyone about it

1524
01:15:27,020 --> 01:15:24,840
and when I saw Whitley on TV and I saw

1525
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:27,030
that book cover that's kind of when all

1526
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:28,800
hell broke out I read the book and that

1527
01:15:34,010 --> 01:15:31,440
this is when I knew that here's someone

1528
01:15:35,180 --> 01:15:34,020
I don't know if there were met there for

1529
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,190
spending time with had no way of

1530
01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:38,159
communicating with with and yet we had

1531
01:15:44,419 --> 01:15:40,980
more than similar stories and in

1532
01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:44,429
parallel in so many ways growing up and

1533
01:15:54,919 --> 01:15:49,260
having these experiences so the scene

1534
01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:54,929
with you and your grandfather is pretty

1535
01:16:02,600 --> 01:15:58,170
extraordinary I mean in every sense of

1536
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:02,610
the definition of a extraordinary tell

1537
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:06,570
us about that and how how old were you

1538
01:16:18,779 --> 01:16:13,649
approximately the same age I was maybe

1539
01:16:21,149 --> 01:16:18,789
seven but my grandfather used to tell me

1540
01:16:23,279 --> 01:16:21,159
tales of being in Ireland and the fact

1541
01:16:25,799 --> 01:16:23,289
that he saw little people and that he

1542
01:16:28,859 --> 01:16:25,809
heard the Banshee one night and a lot of

1543
01:16:30,930 --> 01:16:28,869
other stuff and they were great bedtime

1544
01:16:34,589 --> 01:16:30,940
tales and then one night we were out

1545
01:16:36,330 --> 01:16:34,599
walking at night as we often would do

1546
01:16:38,069 --> 01:16:36,340
with the binoculars because the stars of

1547
01:16:39,839 --> 01:16:38,079
Marin County this was right where the

1548
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:39,849
Frank Lloyd Wright Civic Center is now

1549
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,730
were amazing because it was mistis

1550
01:16:46,770 --> 01:16:44,320
little towns and the venetie

1551
01:16:49,759 --> 01:16:46,780
I recently visited went back to the site

1552
01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:49,769
and we're out there and we saw this

1553
01:16:54,750 --> 01:16:52,150
orange ball and it kept coming closer

1554
01:16:58,680 --> 01:16:54,760
and closer to us and then it just kind

1555
01:17:00,629 --> 01:16:58,690
of parked itself over us and I knew then

1556
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:00,639
it wasn't a meteor I didn't know what it

1557
01:17:04,919 --> 01:17:02,650
was he didn't either

1558
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:04,929
of course what happened after that and

1559
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:07,840
if it laughed it took off moved off very

1560
01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:10,630
quickly we went inside and we were

1561
01:17:14,009 --> 01:17:12,070
discussing it and that's what my grand

1562
01:17:17,370 --> 01:17:14,019
mother came in and she was this huge

1563
01:17:20,879 --> 01:17:17,380
skeptic and she was always busting his

1564
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:20,889
chops about his tall tales but I knew at

1565
01:17:26,189 --> 01:17:24,730
that moment that I just seemed something

1566
01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:26,199
with him and that wasn't the first time

1567
01:17:31,709 --> 01:17:27,670
and another time I saw it ghost with

1568
01:17:33,810 --> 01:17:31,719
them so I knew that he was telling the

1569
01:17:35,489 --> 01:17:33,820
truth what did he say to you

1570
01:17:38,399 --> 01:17:35,499
I know it's portrayed in the film but

1571
01:17:42,509 --> 01:17:38,409
what what did he what did he say when

1572
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:42,519
you two were alone well after the

1573
01:17:46,410 --> 01:17:44,530
incident he took me you know I was as I

1574
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:46,420
stayed in his little study at night when

1575
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:47,920
it's been the weekends there and I loved

1576
01:17:55,020 --> 01:17:51,570
being there he told me about this story

1577
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:55,030
and he was taking his mother home and it

1578
01:18:00,479 --> 01:17:57,730
was in a carriage with a horse and the

1579
01:18:01,649 --> 01:18:00,489
horse would not pass the old churchyard

1580
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:01,659
it was dark

1581
01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:03,730
the horse was frightened out of its mind

1582
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:05,710
and there's something disturbing it that

1583
01:18:12,290 --> 01:18:08,650
was in the bushes and so he got out and

1584
01:18:15,149 --> 01:18:12,300
he went through them and he got inside

1585
01:18:17,729 --> 01:18:15,159
the tree lying there right up against

1586
01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:17,739
the church and he could see someone

1587
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:20,920
sitting there with a hat on with the Ted

1588
01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:21,490
down

1589
01:18:29,220 --> 01:18:27,640
looked like hooves and it looked at him

1590
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:29,230
and it scared the hell out of him and he

1591
01:18:35,130 --> 01:18:31,930
eat me from his perspective in those

1592
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:35,140
days and it was a thought it might been

1593
01:18:41,190 --> 01:18:38,490
the devil or something like that but it

1594
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:41,200
scared him so badly and he never forgot

1595
01:18:48,650 --> 01:18:43,450
it and he told me that tail of course

1596
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:48,660
you know fast forward to today and the

1597
01:18:52,110 --> 01:18:50,890
fascinating thing about the greys when

1598
01:18:56,370 --> 01:18:52,120
they've been able to look at their feet

1599
01:19:01,770 --> 01:18:56,380
they do resemble hoofed or clothed feet

1600
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:01,780
no yeah Wow and of course this was

1601
01:19:05,460 --> 01:19:02,890
something that caught Whitley's

1602
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:05,470
attention when we were first meeting and

1603
01:19:08,940 --> 01:19:07,030
I described the feet he said you know

1604
01:19:12,860 --> 01:19:08,950
most people don't know or report that

1605
01:19:18,570 --> 01:19:12,870
because he knew about as well so the

1606
01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:18,580
also reminds me of childhoods end yeah

1607
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:21,190
that's that's an incredible book I wish

1608
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:23,530
somebody would make that movie correctly

1609
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:26,320
but there it is the sci-fi version

1610
01:19:31,470 --> 01:19:29,770
wasn't too bad yeah you know it's a

1611
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:31,480
three parter and i'm glad they did it

1612
01:19:37,170 --> 01:19:33,490
like that because there's so much to

1613
01:19:39,150 --> 01:19:37,180
tell in that story but and they

1614
01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:39,160
modernized it you know and made it you

1615
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:42,310
know update for it updated for today but

1616
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:45,210
nonetheless the story and the ending are

1617
01:19:56,010 --> 01:19:53,050
incredible but the whole idea on who or

1618
01:20:00,240 --> 01:19:56,020
the vision of who et could actually look

1619
01:20:02,370 --> 01:20:00,250
like is pretty wild especially when we

1620
01:20:04,260 --> 01:20:02,380
look at all aspects of religion of

1621
01:20:07,140 --> 01:20:04,270
course you know who I'm referring to

1622
01:20:12,630 --> 01:20:07,150
horns and hooves and oh yeah I'm talking

1623
01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:12,640
about here now okay so I going back to

1624
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:19,630
this with your grandfather in the in in

1625
01:20:25,470 --> 01:20:23,530
the episode the orange light looks like

1626
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:25,480
it actually gets pretty close to you

1627
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:30,490
guys how how close down did it get real

1628
01:20:35,190 --> 01:20:33,850
close like that and it had this sense of

1629
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:35,200
flames around

1630
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:36,850
and there was a slight ruffling sound

1631
01:20:48,270 --> 01:20:45,850
remember hearing the it was okay I need

1632
01:20:51,450 --> 01:20:48,280
to ask these things as fundamentally as

1633
01:20:53,790 --> 01:20:51,460
I can because it's done so well the way

1634
01:20:57,330 --> 01:20:53,800
that you've done the visuals it was

1635
01:21:01,880 --> 01:20:57,340
close enough for you as as a seven year

1636
01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:01,890
old to know that it wasn't a meteor or

1637
01:21:10,710 --> 01:21:06,420
something else it was it was a craft you

1638
01:21:12,150 --> 01:21:10,720
know when I was that age and when I was

1639
01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:12,160
there with my grandfather that night I

1640
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:13,870
didn't know what it was it was I was

1641
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:16,930
mystified by it because I've always been

1642
01:21:20,190 --> 01:21:18,250
a space nut I've always studied

1643
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:20,200
astronomy and you know I always had all

1644
01:21:24,810 --> 01:21:21,730
the charts on the wall of the solar

1645
01:21:26,610 --> 01:21:24,820
system and and I constantly watched the

1646
01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:26,620
night skies and I've seen plenty of

1647
01:21:32,190 --> 01:21:29,980
meteors meteorites some quite large ones

1648
01:21:35,010 --> 01:21:32,200
with big plumes on him and this was

1649
01:21:37,710 --> 01:21:35,020
nothing like that later on I found out

1650
01:21:40,350 --> 01:21:37,720
that many people who have experiences

1651
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,360
also saw the orange balls and as

1652
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:43,120
recently as the fourth of July I had a

1653
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:45,910
friend over here the other night I think

1654
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:47,920
that's when I talked to you the first

1655
01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:50,410
time and we were at the winery the other

1656
01:21:54,180 --> 01:21:52,750
day Twain wine-tasting party we came

1657
01:21:58,530 --> 01:21:54,190
back over here to studio hung out and

1658
01:22:00,120 --> 01:21:58,540
said so Steve how was your fourth of

1659
01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:00,130
July and he was kind of uncomfortable

1660
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:03,870
and I find John why he says well

1661
01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:07,360
anything strange happened I said no what

1662
01:22:10,110 --> 01:22:08,710
do you what are you searching for here

1663
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:10,120
he says well it's just that we saw these

1664
01:22:18,810 --> 01:22:14,800
orange balls two of them so they're

1665
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:18,820
still seeing and I don't know if it's a

1666
01:22:24,150 --> 01:22:21,010
craft I don't know if it's something

1667
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:24,160
that's interdimensional or comes through

1668
01:22:30,180 --> 01:22:26,560
time I just I have no idea all I can do

1669
01:22:32,340 --> 01:22:30,190
is report what I saw I felt there was

1670
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:32,350
something a consciousness behind it it

1671
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:34,930
definitely took notice to us and that's

1672
01:22:40,770 --> 01:22:37,930
the best I can offer until we get more

1673
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:40,780
data on it what do you what do you make

1674
01:22:47,950 --> 01:22:44,170
of because you've been following and

1675
01:22:51,070 --> 01:22:47,960
researching this subject for so long

1676
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:51,080
there are those out there that talk

1677
01:22:57,610 --> 01:22:53,690
about a negative aspect to all of this

1678
01:22:59,530 --> 01:22:57,620
and those out there that say that it's

1679
01:23:00,940 --> 01:22:59,540
nothing but positive of course you know

1680
01:23:02,140 --> 01:23:00,950
you have some that are right down the

1681
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:02,150
middle too as well or it's going to be

1682
01:23:10,330 --> 01:23:06,080
both but with your experiences what do

1683
01:23:12,340 --> 01:23:10,340
you think is going on what do I think is

1684
01:23:15,010 --> 01:23:12,350
going on well you know it goes back to

1685
01:23:18,490 --> 01:23:15,020
2001 it seems to me that something has

1686
01:23:20,440 --> 01:23:18,500
been watching over us for a very very

1687
01:23:23,380 --> 01:23:20,450
long time and it may have had something

1688
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:23,390
to do with our evolution much like it

1689
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:26,960
does in 2001 that it's it stays in the

1690
01:23:34,690 --> 01:23:32,080
shadows but I think my gut tells me that

1691
01:23:37,570 --> 01:23:34,700
it has a lot of hope for us to evolve

1692
01:23:39,370 --> 01:23:37,580
into something it's a great deal more

1693
01:23:42,670 --> 01:23:39,380
consciousness then we're possessing now

1694
01:23:47,050 --> 01:23:42,680
and more intelligence that will enable

1695
01:23:49,209 --> 01:23:47,060
us to leave earth and explore the rest

1696
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:49,219
of our universe which is something we

1697
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:51,920
really need to do I think as a race of

1698
01:23:57,070 --> 01:23:55,010
beings we will will change a great deal

1699
01:24:00,040 --> 01:23:57,080
once we do that I think we'll stop

1700
01:24:01,900 --> 01:24:00,050
focusing and all the petty fights and

1701
01:24:03,610 --> 01:24:01,910
issues and territorial disputes and

1702
01:24:05,650 --> 01:24:03,620
everything else that's going on and if

1703
01:24:08,670 --> 01:24:05,660
you look at 2001 it's really what it's

1704
01:24:10,900 --> 01:24:08,680
about I mean it goes from moon watcher

1705
01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:10,910
throwing that bone up into the air

1706
01:24:20,979 --> 01:24:14,840
mm-hmm to the next thing you see is that

1707
01:24:24,729 --> 01:24:20,989
orbiting nucular bomb the I've kind of

1708
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:24,739
take a break right here but the the days

1709
01:24:30,430 --> 01:24:27,520
of disclosure seemed to be upon us Steve

1710
01:24:33,790 --> 01:24:30,440
yeah you know this is a subject that is

1711
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:33,800
that has been in the mass media it's

1712
01:24:38,830 --> 01:24:36,110
kind of died out a little bit but

1713
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:38,840
certainly December and January February

1714
01:24:47,979 --> 01:24:43,850
or March everybody was talking about the

1715
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:47,989
UFO question do you think that it the

1716
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:51,170
agenda and disclosure is here do you

1717
01:24:56,970 --> 01:24:54,530
think it's going to continue to be in

1718
01:24:59,979 --> 01:24:56,980
the public spotlight like it has been

1719
01:25:01,600 --> 01:24:59,989
I'm hoping that it does I was actually

1720
01:25:03,129 --> 01:25:01,610
quite surprised when the pinnacle

1721
01:25:05,410 --> 01:25:03,139
release the videos and allowed the

1722
01:25:07,180 --> 01:25:05,420
pilots to speak I was also really

1723
01:25:09,580 --> 01:25:07,190
surprised when they saw that it hit

1724
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:09,590
every single piece of mainstream media

1725
01:25:13,780 --> 01:25:11,690
out there that's never happened before

1726
01:25:16,359 --> 01:25:13,790
it's quite significant and then in light

1727
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:16,369
of that more documents released Brits

1728
01:25:20,530 --> 01:25:19,010
the British released more documents and

1729
01:25:23,709 --> 01:25:20,540
they're really not covering up a lot

1730
01:25:26,649 --> 01:25:23,719
ditch the evidence the proof that

1731
01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:26,659
something is there is right under our

1732
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:28,239
noses the whole time

1733
01:25:35,649 --> 01:25:31,489
III yeah I think that's exactly where

1734
01:25:37,930 --> 01:25:35,659
we're at I just want you know the foot

1735
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:37,940
to stay I want the pedal to stay

1736
01:25:44,350 --> 01:25:42,770
depressed right yeah I do too I I think

1737
01:25:46,780 --> 01:25:44,360
that's where we are I don't know where

1738
01:25:47,290 --> 01:25:46,790
it's gonna go but if it's gonna get

1739
01:25:49,540 --> 01:25:47,300
better

1740
01:25:52,060 --> 01:25:49,550
can you imagine what is next our guest

1741
01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:52,070
tonight is Steve Neil that's right

1742
01:25:56,890 --> 01:25:54,710
special effects Steve Neil he is here

1743
01:26:03,700 --> 01:25:56,900
this is fade to black stay with us we'll

1744
01:26:03,710 --> 01:26:13,550
[Music]

1745
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:16,730
way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

1746
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:19,770
you're listening to faint and black

1747
01:26:23,580 --> 01:26:22,270
always on the edge of the hottest

1748
01:26:26,850 --> 01:26:23,590
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1749
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:26,860
Jimmy church with fade to black stay GRA

1750
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:46,050
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1751
01:26:52,140 --> 01:26:49,690
wildfires this year we've experienced

1752
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more than our fair share this is Jimmy

1753
01:26:56,610 --> 01:26:54,460
Church a fade to black and last month I

1754
01:26:58,980 --> 01:26:56,620
decided to make sure my family does not

1755
01:27:01,670 --> 01:26:58,990
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1756
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tasted and tested I own it now you can

1768
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too just click on the new mana banner on

1769
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:33,070
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busy professional parent or grandparent

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1788
01:28:18,050 --> 01:28:15,470
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1789
01:28:20,910 --> 01:28:18,060
and so does the CIA

1790
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:20,920
[Music]

1791
01:28:29,230 --> 01:28:26,960
KCRA radio.com you are listening to fade

1792
01:28:34,540 --> 01:28:29,240
to black with Jimmy Church on the game

1793
01:28:36,580 --> 01:28:34,550
changer Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

1794
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:36,590
listening to me Church this is a

1795
01:28:48,730 --> 01:28:37,730
revolution

1796
01:28:48,740 --> 01:29:26,100
[Music]

1797
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:28,419
welcome back beta black I'm Neos Jimmy

1798
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:31,130
Church I guess tonight Steve Neil is

1799
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:33,530
here we're talking about his his new

1800
01:29:40,859 --> 01:29:37,010
series that he has directed and written

1801
01:29:43,259 --> 01:29:40,869
and it is called but something is there

1802
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:43,269
it's about his experience that's

1803
01:29:47,950 --> 01:29:45,920
experiences that started back when he

1804
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:47,960
was six years old and this segment of

1805
01:29:51,759 --> 01:29:49,489
fade to black has probably brought to

1806
01:29:53,529 --> 01:29:51,769
you about ancient life oil I'm holding

1807
01:29:56,140 --> 01:29:53,539
it up for the cameras right there there

1808
01:29:59,709 --> 01:29:56,150
you go ancient life oil ancient life oil

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01:30:03,580 --> 01:29:59,719
calm I do this is the cinnamon normally

1810
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I do the natural CBD but this is

1811
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:08,510
cinnamon ancient life oil calm now okay

1812
01:30:17,799 --> 01:30:15,199
Steve man I can only imagine what

1813
01:30:21,339 --> 01:30:17,809
memories you had locked up inside you

1814
01:30:25,689 --> 01:30:21,349
and you went how did you meet Yvonne

1815
01:30:28,930 --> 01:30:25,699
Smith well I read about her in UFO

1816
01:30:35,759 --> 01:30:28,940
magazine which was produced by Don Ecker

1817
01:30:39,209 --> 01:30:35,769
and Vicky that was the first kind of

1818
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:39,219
entrance for me into the UFO community

1819
01:30:44,890 --> 01:30:42,650
was finding their their magazine and I

1820
01:30:46,810 --> 01:30:44,900
thought it was very level-headed and

1821
01:30:50,020 --> 01:30:46,820
very straightforward reporting it wasn't

1822
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:50,030
very wasn't sensationalized and Don was

1823
01:30:56,739 --> 01:30:53,920
always a class act when it came to being

1824
01:30:59,969 --> 01:30:56,749
to being very scientific about his

1825
01:31:04,479 --> 01:30:59,979
approach to studying this phenomenon and

1826
01:31:06,729 --> 01:31:04,489
not wearing a tinfoil hat so and then I

1827
01:31:09,129 --> 01:31:06,739
saw an article about Yvonne Smith and it

1828
01:31:11,109 --> 01:31:09,139
was about her support group now at this

1829
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:11,119
point I knew something was going on I

1830
01:31:16,810 --> 01:31:14,530
knew that this was happening to me and

1831
01:31:20,919 --> 01:31:16,820
there were experiences happening right

1832
01:31:22,299 --> 01:31:20,929
at that time the hypnosis was great but

1833
01:31:23,939 --> 01:31:22,309
I really wanted to connect with other

1834
01:31:28,180 --> 01:31:23,949
people who were having these experiences

1835
01:31:31,989 --> 01:31:28,190
so it was quite amazing to sit in a

1836
01:31:34,270 --> 01:31:31,999
support group with these people who I

1837
01:31:35,890 --> 01:31:34,280
later became friends with and still in

1838
01:31:38,500 --> 01:31:35,900
friends with some of them today like

1839
01:31:39,700 --> 01:31:38,510
Jesse long and John Stone and some

1840
01:31:42,860 --> 01:31:39,710
others

1841
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:42,870
and to hear their stories because I'd

1842
01:31:49,220 --> 01:31:45,090
never met these people before this is

1843
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:49,230
around 1989 1990 and the Internet's not

1844
01:31:54,860 --> 01:31:53,489
a real big thing and so I had no

1845
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:54,870
connection with these people other these

1846
01:32:01,550 --> 01:31:56,610
experiences and yet they would describe

1847
01:32:03,410 --> 01:32:01,560
the same things and it was eerie I got

1848
01:32:05,540 --> 01:32:03,420
more out of that than did Whitley's book

1849
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:05,550
because now I got to hear people from

1850
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:07,530
all walks of life and most of them who

1851
01:32:11,780 --> 01:32:09,330
did not want to be public about it

1852
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:11,790
didn't want their families to know tell

1853
01:32:17,090 --> 01:32:14,489
their stories and I got to hear things

1854
01:32:20,150 --> 01:32:17,100
that would just mind-boggling and that I

1855
01:32:21,770 --> 01:32:20,160
actually plan to later on work into some

1856
01:32:25,729 --> 01:32:21,780
of the other episodes but something is

1857
01:32:28,370 --> 01:32:25,739
there dosis was amazing too

1858
01:32:32,979 --> 01:32:28,380
so I will get back to that in a second

1859
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:32,989
have you seen the series people of Earth

1860
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:34,290
know

1861
01:32:43,010 --> 01:32:41,760
it okay but it's it's isn't a series of

1862
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:43,020
interviews of people who have these

1863
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:45,450
experiences it's much better than that

1864
01:32:51,020 --> 01:32:49,530
it's all it's a comedy okay yes I have

1865
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:51,030
heard about I have not seen it though

1866
01:33:00,920 --> 01:32:57,570
you've got to you look first off you're

1867
01:33:02,690 --> 01:33:00,930
gonna watch that and you the I know

1868
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:02,700
exactly what's gonna go through your

1869
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:05,280
mind and now it may be a comedy and it

1870
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:08,730
is funny you know it when when you're

1871
01:33:12,229 --> 01:33:10,410
part of our community and you see

1872
01:33:14,300 --> 01:33:12,239
something like that done with such

1873
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:14,310
respect and and it's so funny

1874
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:16,650
mm-hmm I know what's gonna go through

1875
01:33:24,590 --> 01:33:21,120
your mind somebody talked because the

1876
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:24,600
attention to detail whoever is honest

1877
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:27,840
the team of writers there somebody's an

1878
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:30,510
experiencer somebody is sat through or

1879
01:33:36,050 --> 01:33:32,730
one of these groups maybe even Yvonne's

1880
01:33:38,270 --> 01:33:36,060
and and and wrote about it because some

1881
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:38,280
of the other things and it's it's the

1882
01:33:43,370 --> 01:33:40,800
words as the terminology

1883
01:33:47,660 --> 01:33:43,380
it's the visuals they go to a UFO

1884
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:47,670
conference right yeah right right

1885
01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:50,130
it is it is it is just so well done

1886
01:33:52,770 --> 01:33:52,260
anyway just you need to go check it out

1887
01:33:56,279 --> 01:33:52,780
it's

1888
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:56,289
I will and I have no problem laughing

1889
01:33:59,819 --> 01:33:58,000
about this stuff and making fun of it

1890
01:34:01,919 --> 01:33:59,829
because if you can't have a good laugh

1891
01:34:04,350 --> 01:34:01,929
at something like this then you're

1892
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:04,360
taking it maybe a bit more seriously

1893
01:34:09,029 --> 01:34:06,730
than you should yeah you're right and

1894
01:34:11,669 --> 01:34:09,039
and Rita my wife and I you know we're

1895
01:34:13,799 --> 01:34:11,679
watching it and we're laughing we're

1896
01:34:18,779 --> 01:34:13,809
having a great time and and also saying

1897
01:34:21,180 --> 01:34:18,789
ATLA this was this was made for us how

1898
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:21,190
these things get funded you you wonder

1899
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:25,090
you know because somebody out there with

1900
01:34:30,629 --> 01:34:28,449
some money probably had had the

1901
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:30,639
experience or knew someone that did so

1902
01:34:37,919 --> 01:34:36,130
now when one of the points that you you

1903
01:34:41,010 --> 01:34:37,929
just mentioned but you also mentioned

1904
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:41,020
this in the in the first episode is that

1905
01:34:50,700 --> 01:34:44,730
you got more out of sitting there with

1906
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:50,710
the other experiencers not so much that

1907
01:34:55,549 --> 01:34:53,440
you were discovering new stuff because

1908
01:34:58,350 --> 01:34:55,559
that wasn't your point your point was

1909
01:35:04,379 --> 01:34:58,360
you were hearing things that you thought

1910
01:35:06,209 --> 01:35:04,389
only you knew tell me about that oh you

1911
01:35:09,299 --> 01:35:06,219
know it's it's difficult to know where

1912
01:35:13,859 --> 01:35:09,309
to start but it would be about how they

1913
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:13,869
described being inside of what they

1914
01:35:20,910 --> 01:35:16,449
thought was a spacecraft I've never been

1915
01:35:25,470 --> 01:35:20,920
clear on that but the way it looked

1916
01:35:29,490 --> 01:35:25,480
inside the lighting the way the beings

1917
01:35:32,250 --> 01:35:29,500
moved the way they described him the

1918
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:32,260
instruments that I knew about that I

1919
01:35:37,979 --> 01:35:34,449
hadn't shared that they knew about that

1920
01:35:40,549 --> 01:35:37,989
were similar these little like probes so

1921
01:35:43,140 --> 01:35:40,559
god there's that word again

1922
01:35:44,879 --> 01:35:43,150
but not that kind of probe but the kind

1923
01:35:46,740 --> 01:35:44,889
that they held his bright light at the

1924
01:35:49,919 --> 01:35:46,750
end of it and there was so many little

1925
01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:49,929
details they really got me but one of

1926
01:35:56,490 --> 01:35:53,440
the things that got me the most was I

1927
01:36:00,120 --> 01:35:56,500
had had an experience I thought it was

1928
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:00,130
just a dream and I was with this woman a

1929
01:36:12,030 --> 01:36:06,610
redheaded lady and they had us together

1930
01:36:15,420 --> 01:36:12,040
and we're in this room and so I'm and at

1931
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:15,430
the support group and if Vaughn says I

1932
01:36:21,090 --> 01:36:18,250
want to introduce a new member and she

1933
01:36:23,460 --> 01:36:21,100
comes in and I looked at her and she

1934
01:36:26,900 --> 01:36:23,470
looked at me and it was completely

1935
01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:26,910
shocking we both knew each other on-site

1936
01:36:34,140 --> 01:36:31,270
things like this happened wait wait wait

1937
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:34,150
wait wait whoa whoa whoa pump pump the

1938
01:36:47,550 --> 01:36:44,560
brakes here what are you saying here not

1939
01:36:52,020 --> 01:36:47,560
suggesting what are you saying that you

1940
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:52,030
two were on a craft together you know

1941
01:36:57,150 --> 01:36:54,070
there's that I don't know that it's a

1942
01:36:58,740 --> 01:36:57,160
craft you know when I so many times when

1943
01:37:00,570 --> 01:36:58,750
I would see an object approaching me

1944
01:37:02,190 --> 01:37:00,580
we'd be black hole moving across the

1945
01:37:04,140 --> 01:37:02,200
stars and that's how I knew there was

1946
01:37:07,290 --> 01:37:04,150
something there then lights came out of

1947
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:07,300
it next thing I knew after being pulled

1948
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:09,850
up into it if I remembered that much I

1949
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:12,610
would be in some sort of facility and I

1950
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:16,090
really was quite large and I really felt

1951
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:17,770
more like you were inside a structure

1952
01:37:26,330 --> 01:37:21,730
not a craft so but yes I was with her in

1953
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:26,340
a room and they were trying to get us to

1954
01:37:31,770 --> 01:37:29,890
have an affair to put it lightly on I

1955
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:31,780
don't know what the censorship is on

1956
01:37:34,650 --> 01:37:34,000
this on this radio station so I'll just

1957
01:37:36,930 --> 01:37:34,660
leave it at that

1958
01:37:39,810 --> 01:37:36,940
yeah okay we can use our imagination

1959
01:37:42,860 --> 01:37:39,820
there okay you've heard about this

1960
01:37:46,650 --> 01:37:42,870
happening where they put people together

1961
01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:46,660
and they want them to interact sexually

1962
01:37:51,780 --> 01:37:49,450
so that something is produced out of

1963
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:51,790
that as a result I'm not sure what it is

1964
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:56,650
but it happens and I you know I took all

1965
01:37:59,400 --> 01:37:58,000
this pretty much as a grain of salt

1966
01:38:01,920 --> 01:37:59,410
because it could have been just a dream

1967
01:38:04,770 --> 01:38:01,930
but when you see the same person walk in

1968
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:04,780
and you recognize them and then they

1969
01:38:12,510 --> 01:38:06,880
recognize you that was pretty amazing

1970
01:38:14,370 --> 01:38:12,520
now I know this was 1990 our use 1990-91

1971
01:38:16,919 --> 01:38:14,380
right in there are you still in touch

1972
01:38:19,919 --> 01:38:16,929
with her today no I

1973
01:38:24,509 --> 01:38:19,929
not okay the group has really changed

1974
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:24,519
since then and I I do go to them on

1975
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:26,650
occasion because Ivana and I are friends

1976
01:38:31,919 --> 01:38:29,530
and I will put in appearances there and

1977
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:31,929
talk to the members there and some of

1978
01:38:36,569 --> 01:38:33,760
our the original members but not many

1979
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:36,579
maybe two or three of them the reason

1980
01:38:48,330 --> 01:38:43,209
why I ask is after that group meeting

1981
01:38:52,020 --> 01:38:48,340
that night did you two talk yeah we did

1982
01:38:57,899 --> 01:38:52,030
and we started talking a great deal more

1983
01:39:02,370 --> 01:38:57,909
and basically you know I kind of because

1984
01:39:05,429 --> 01:39:02,380
I was married I had to to to back off on

1985
01:39:08,689 --> 01:39:05,439
it because there was an attraction there

1986
01:39:11,279 --> 01:39:08,699
I know Whitley has warned me of this

1987
01:39:15,959 --> 01:39:11,289
more recently saying that you you will

1988
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:15,969
be automatically in a sense attracted to

1989
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:18,400
another person of the opposite sex

1990
01:39:23,489 --> 01:39:20,650
that's having these experiences that it

1991
01:39:26,669 --> 01:39:23,499
could happen and and to be aware of that

1992
01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:26,679
and it certainly was true and then I

1993
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:28,239
read that yeah it really was

1994
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:34,050
so well Steve did you guys compare notes

1995
01:39:41,069 --> 01:39:38,650
yeah we did and you know and I told her

1996
01:39:45,029 --> 01:39:41,079
what I remembered and she told me that

1997
01:39:47,850 --> 01:39:45,039
she remembered the same thing most

1998
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:47,860
pretty much the same and it was I mean

1999
01:39:55,410 --> 01:39:52,570
what do you do with that you know it's

2000
01:39:58,410 --> 01:39:55,420
still hard for me to believe but it did

2001
01:40:00,569 --> 01:39:58,420
happen did okay

2002
01:40:06,660 --> 01:40:00,579
well let's let's let's explore this a

2003
01:40:08,699 --> 01:40:06,670
little bit yes you guys met again at the

2004
01:40:12,449 --> 01:40:08,709
support group but let's go back to the

2005
01:40:16,290 --> 01:40:12,459
encounter in this room somewhere did

2006
01:40:19,529 --> 01:40:16,300
things go to the next level or did they

2007
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:19,539
not happen no that's what I remember and

2008
01:40:26,129 --> 01:40:21,489
there were there were other times when

2009
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:26,139
that also happened and I never meant the

2010
01:40:29,339 --> 01:40:27,610
person okay

2011
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:29,349
you know it just didn't happen and there

2012
01:40:36,270 --> 01:40:30,490
were other times

2013
01:40:39,660 --> 01:40:36,280
when the female wasn't didn't look human

2014
01:40:45,810 --> 01:40:39,670
and I did it drawing which I'm gonna put

2015
01:40:48,210 --> 01:40:45,820
on on on stellar probably tomorrow of

2016
01:40:50,250 --> 01:40:48,220
this sort of well they were fear to his

2017
01:40:52,020 --> 01:40:50,260
china dolls and the here's a here's

2018
01:40:54,810 --> 01:40:52,030
another case of where I thought I was

2019
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,820
the only one that this happened to and I

2020
01:40:58,530 --> 01:40:56,560
had this experience that come to in a

2021
01:41:02,330 --> 01:40:58,540
metal table and sitting on top of me is

2022
01:41:06,210 --> 01:41:02,340
this sort of perfectly proportioned body

2023
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:06,220
female with bob dark hair and dark his

2024
01:41:09,900 --> 01:41:07,840
eyes they weren't pure black but they

2025
01:41:14,910 --> 01:41:09,910
were kind of bigger and they were they

2026
01:41:16,380 --> 01:41:14,920
were dark I mean and it was I mean she

2027
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:16,390
had total control of me and I had no

2028
01:41:20,220 --> 01:41:18,400
control of what was going on whatsoever

2029
01:41:25,410 --> 01:41:20,230
and she almost seemed to take the light

2030
01:41:28,410 --> 01:41:25,420
in it well later on I started hearing

2031
01:41:30,210 --> 01:41:28,420
from other people that they had the same

2032
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:30,220
experience and in fact one of my friend

2033
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:33,970
of mine I'm still in touch with sent me

2034
01:41:38,930 --> 01:41:36,130
some drawings of what he saw and they

2035
01:41:42,770 --> 01:41:38,940
were absolutely identical to my drawings

2036
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:42,780
I'm almost picturing like in Nagle a

2037
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:51,250
Nagle yeah you know the painter oh well

2038
01:41:58,530 --> 01:41:55,690
almost like a Keane painting yeah yeah

2039
01:42:01,200 --> 01:41:58,540
it kind of you know I mean slightly

2040
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:01,210
Asian and that wasn't the the last time

2041
01:42:13,410 --> 01:42:08,320
I saw these beings so now were they were

2042
01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:13,420
they biological or were they well you

2043
01:42:20,220 --> 01:42:16,480
know and though it's she seemed

2044
01:42:22,410 --> 01:42:20,230
absolutely biological I mean the the

2045
01:42:25,620 --> 01:42:22,420
Anatomy was very human it's just that

2046
01:42:29,610 --> 01:42:25,630
the that that the eyes were so different

2047
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:29,620
and the features very slight are you are

2048
01:42:37,230 --> 01:42:32,410
you comfortable in talking about this oh

2049
01:42:39,630 --> 01:42:37,240
sure why not everybody is because it's

2050
01:42:41,610 --> 01:42:39,640
okay you know it's it's it's somewhat

2051
01:42:43,980 --> 01:42:41,620
hard to talk about sure because it's so

2052
01:42:47,070 --> 01:42:43,990
incredibly fantastic it's

2053
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:47,080
like in my show when the during the talk

2054
01:42:52,620 --> 01:42:50,320
shown scene and my good friend Steve

2055
01:42:54,630 --> 01:42:52,630
Altman is playing the talk show is

2056
01:42:58,110 --> 01:42:54,640
that's his real name actually yes he's

2057
01:42:59,730 --> 01:42:58,120
very talented comedian and he I thought

2058
01:43:01,650 --> 01:42:59,740
he was perfect for that role because I

2059
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:01,660
had been in that situation so far many

2060
01:43:06,810 --> 01:43:03,670
times and he says come on now you know

2061
01:43:08,670 --> 01:43:06,820
this is this is so fantastic you can't

2062
01:43:11,010 --> 01:43:08,680
you see why this is so unbelievable and

2063
01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:11,020
Mark sitting here saying well I'm just

2064
01:43:14,940 --> 01:43:12,430
telling you that's what happened you

2065
01:43:19,440 --> 01:43:14,950
know yes Steve Steve should be a talk

2066
01:43:22,170 --> 01:43:19,450
show host you know he should he's a

2067
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:22,180
fantastic talent yeah yes he's and

2068
01:43:30,990 --> 01:43:26,560
that's a that's a great scene now okay

2069
01:43:35,610 --> 01:43:31,000
so when you started to have these

2070
01:43:38,610 --> 01:43:35,620
sessions with Yvonne were you able to

2071
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:38,620
remember everything that came out during

2072
01:43:48,060 --> 01:43:44,050
the session pretty much I had a great

2073
01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:48,070
deal of memory surrounding the events

2074
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:50,380
but then there were these big sections

2075
01:43:54,180 --> 01:43:52,090
of it that were missing and it was

2076
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:54,190
pretty amazing stuff came out now I've

2077
01:43:59,370 --> 01:43:57,280
got to point out to listeners we've all

2078
01:44:04,140 --> 01:43:59,380
heard it before about hypnosis and we

2079
01:44:06,270 --> 01:44:04,150
hear how hypnotherapist can whether they

2080
01:44:07,650 --> 01:44:06,280
do it willingly or just because we're

2081
01:44:10,620 --> 01:44:07,660
all human we make mistakes sometimes

2082
01:44:12,570 --> 01:44:10,630
they will lead you ah who do you see do

2083
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:12,580
you see an alien in the room and of

2084
01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:14,530
course there are those who say if they

2085
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:17,110
suggest that then under hypnosis that's

2086
01:44:22,740 --> 01:44:18,970
what you're going to manifest I gotta

2087
01:44:26,610 --> 01:44:22,750
make this really clear a Vaughn never

2088
01:44:29,070 --> 01:44:26,620
did that she was absolutely pure when it

2089
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:29,080
came to that she would just take you

2090
01:44:34,860 --> 01:44:32,320
back to a time when you remembered

2091
01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:34,870
something happening and she would ask

2092
01:44:42,510 --> 01:44:40,510
you to relive it and report to her what

2093
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:42,520
you were seeing and feeling and that was

2094
01:44:48,770 --> 01:44:45,370
it and some of these sessions were quite

2095
01:44:51,870 --> 01:44:48,780
amazing one time in particular I was

2096
01:44:53,850 --> 01:44:51,880
we've been under and I've been doing a

2097
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:53,860
very long session it was like an hour or

2098
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:55,840
something like that and I don't remember

2099
01:44:59,460 --> 01:44:57,610
all the details of that particular

2100
01:45:01,590 --> 01:44:59,470
session except for one part that I'll

2101
01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:01,600
never forget and that is what if Vaughn

2102
01:45:05,010 --> 01:45:03,040
went to wake me up

2103
01:45:08,910 --> 01:45:05,020
she couldn't wake me up and that's

2104
01:45:11,580 --> 01:45:08,920
because this tall gray you've heard it

2105
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:11,590
before who I always felt was female and

2106
01:45:17,550 --> 01:45:14,560
I felt that I had been in association

2107
01:45:19,470 --> 01:45:17,560
with this being all my life and hold on

2108
01:45:21,630 --> 01:45:19,480
my throat and she's looking at me and

2109
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:21,640
she's saying to me why do you come to

2110
01:45:27,210 --> 01:45:24,400
this woman don't you know she can't help

2111
01:45:29,670 --> 01:45:27,220
you if I don't want to let you go I

2112
01:45:31,860 --> 01:45:29,680
won't and then was the thrust of her

2113
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:31,870
hand she pushed me back let go of my

2114
01:45:36,780 --> 01:45:34,530
neck and then a Vaughn got me awake and

2115
01:45:39,810 --> 01:45:36,790
viola could tell was a little nervous

2116
01:45:45,630 --> 01:45:39,820
you know because and what she asked what

2117
01:45:48,060 --> 01:45:45,640
happened and I told her the okay the

2118
01:45:54,050 --> 01:45:48,070
time span that we're talking here six

2119
01:45:57,150 --> 01:45:54,060
years old to these very adult

2120
01:46:03,270 --> 01:45:57,160
experiences that were going how old were

2121
01:46:07,650 --> 01:46:03,280
you when the adult side of these things

2122
01:46:10,500 --> 01:46:07,660
were happening I have to say high school

2123
01:46:15,570 --> 01:46:10,510
high school so we're talking about a

2124
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:15,580
ten-year span yeah okay I mean it's been

2125
01:46:21,090 --> 01:46:17,770
constant off and on off and on and

2126
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,100
throughout my life well we're gonna get

2127
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:23,440
to that we're gonna get to that but this

2128
01:46:33,180 --> 01:46:27,850
10-year span that I want to get to you

2129
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:33,190
just mentioned this female tall gray

2130
01:46:37,770 --> 01:46:34,930
with the hand on your throat that you

2131
01:46:40,620 --> 01:46:37,780
thought was with you from the entire

2132
01:46:42,770 --> 01:46:40,630
time was that indeed the case and

2133
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:42,780
especially looking back now was it

2134
01:46:53,610 --> 01:46:48,010
contact from the the very same being or

2135
01:46:55,470 --> 01:46:53,620
entity I just had a very funny sensation

2136
01:47:00,750 --> 01:46:55,480
while you're asking me that the answer

2137
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:00,760
was yes Wow and it goes back further

2138
01:47:05,100 --> 01:47:02,530
than six years old because if you've

2139
01:47:08,370 --> 01:47:05,110
been on on stellar you I know you are

2140
01:47:10,650 --> 01:47:08,380
and then and by the way we so much

2141
01:47:11,420 --> 01:47:10,660
appreciate this on stellar it's

2142
01:47:14,780 --> 01:47:11,430
fantastic

2143
01:47:17,420 --> 01:47:14,790
I put up a picture a drawing I did of a

2144
01:47:19,820 --> 01:47:17,430
being looking through the bars of a crib

2145
01:47:21,770 --> 01:47:19,830
with a child with a teddy bear sleeping

2146
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:21,780
did you see that well I'm gonna go there

2147
01:47:30,020 --> 01:47:24,090
now but go ahead yeah it's on one of my

2148
01:47:34,340 --> 01:47:30,030
articles that's a that's a memory I have

2149
01:47:37,940 --> 01:47:34,350
and that was that predates being six

2150
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:37,950
years old some of that some of this

2151
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:40,970
artwork everybody should go to Steve's

2152
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:43,650
page cinema send them a friend request

2153
01:47:50,900 --> 01:47:47,370
to as well but go through and look at

2154
01:47:54,140 --> 01:47:50,910
some of this artwork because it is it is

2155
01:47:56,540 --> 01:47:54,150
beyond measure man it's uh oh okay yeah

2156
01:48:00,440 --> 01:47:56,550
I'm looking at it here well that's uh

2157
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:00,450
that's pretty creepy I got was he that

2158
01:48:05,060 --> 01:48:02,880
was done in the early 90s so I had a

2159
01:48:07,550 --> 01:48:05,070
little company called dreamland effects

2160
01:48:10,580 --> 01:48:07,560
now this predates anybody else using the

2161
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:10,590
title and I used to sell artwork and

2162
01:48:16,270 --> 01:48:13,290
sculptures of the grays even Chris

2163
01:48:21,260 --> 01:48:16,280
Carter bought a couple of them and

2164
01:48:23,390 --> 01:48:21,270
people would see the artwork also in the

2165
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:23,400
magazines and stuff and I get all this

2166
01:48:28,670 --> 01:48:25,440
email about that one in particular

2167
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:28,680
it seemed that a great number of people

2168
01:48:35,500 --> 01:48:32,130
had that memory of that face looking at

2169
01:48:40,670 --> 01:48:35,510
them when they were just an infant yeah

2170
01:48:44,090 --> 01:48:40,680
the well what I'm reminded of man that

2171
01:48:45,740 --> 01:48:44,100
is just a crazy painting by the way it's

2172
01:48:50,810 --> 01:48:45,750
a pencil sketch I have pencil sketch

2173
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:50,820
when um when I look at this was this was

2174
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:55,290
this part of the Yvonne was this uh yes

2175
01:48:59,390 --> 01:48:57,690
Vaughn I have to give up on a lot of

2176
01:49:02,600 --> 01:48:59,400
credit for this she encouraged I

2177
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:02,610
remember tasty sesame can you draw could

2178
01:49:06,830 --> 01:49:04,050
you illustrate what you're seeing and I

2179
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:06,840
said oh yeah I can do that so and I

2180
01:49:11,300 --> 01:49:09,360
ended up being an artist for her and to

2181
01:49:13,700 --> 01:49:11,310
this day in her lectures that she does

2182
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:13,710
all around the world and conventions she

2183
01:49:17,090 --> 01:49:15,840
still uses a lot of that old artwork I

2184
01:49:19,100 --> 01:49:17,100
keep telling her I need to give you some

2185
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,110
new stuff because I'm better now and all

2186
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:21,360
this so but yeah she was the one that

2187
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:22,610
really started that and

2188
01:49:32,980 --> 01:49:27,970
I produced hundreds of pieces of art

2189
01:49:39,190 --> 01:49:32,990
during that period the the other part of

2190
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:39,200
this which I need to address the the

2191
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:43,520
cover of Whitley's book and and I went

2192
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:45,530
through the same things that not only

2193
01:49:49,330 --> 01:49:47,210
you did but our entire community

2194
01:49:51,850 --> 01:49:49,340
everybody remembers the first time they

2195
01:49:59,110 --> 01:49:51,860
picked up communion and and looked at

2196
01:50:01,720 --> 01:49:59,120
that cover but your your greys are part

2197
01:50:03,130 --> 01:50:01,730
of you know similar to my own experience

2198
01:50:06,510 --> 01:50:03,140
which I don't want to get into here on

2199
01:50:09,190 --> 01:50:06,520
the air but so many others too as well

2200
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:09,200
how often does that happen where

2201
01:50:11,970 --> 01:50:10,970
somebody comes up and goes dude that's

2202
01:50:14,230 --> 01:50:11,980
exactly it

2203
01:50:17,820 --> 01:50:14,240
it's still happening I've still been

2204
01:50:21,490 --> 01:50:17,830
getting now of course I get emails and

2205
01:50:23,530 --> 01:50:21,500
people are indicating that all the time

2206
01:50:26,020 --> 01:50:23,540
and that's how I met Whitley because he

2207
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:26,030
was doing the communion comics for

2208
01:50:31,450 --> 01:50:28,930
caliber and he called me one night and

2209
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:31,460
said this is Whitley Strieber and and

2210
01:50:36,430 --> 01:50:33,890
and he said told me that my grades were

2211
01:50:38,530 --> 01:50:36,440
very accurate and how did I know this

2212
01:50:44,380 --> 01:50:38,540
kind of thing so it's been happening for

2213
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:44,390
years and it still happens it's it's

2214
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:46,490
been a it's been an amazing amazing ride

2215
01:50:52,060 --> 01:50:49,760
amazing trip going through all this and

2216
01:50:54,370 --> 01:50:52,070
having so many people reach out to me

2217
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:54,380
and now of course I have my book out but

2218
01:51:00,460 --> 01:50:56,570
by the same title but something is there

2219
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:00,470
and I'm getting lots of email about the

2220
01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:02,330
book too because in the book I go into

2221
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:05,840
real great detail about starting when I

2222
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:07,250
was very young and all the way up to

2223
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:10,730
present day something I couldn't do in

2224
01:51:15,070 --> 01:51:12,890
the first pilot I could just generalize

2225
01:51:17,050 --> 01:51:15,080
what had happened to me to get people

2226
01:51:20,590 --> 01:51:17,060
kick-started before I go into the really

2227
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,600
heavy scripts I'm writing now before we

2228
01:51:24,700 --> 01:51:22,400
move on and get to the break I wanted to

2229
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:24,710
ask you about the inspiration behind the

2230
01:51:34,820 --> 01:51:31,360
Regina painting yeah but did you know oh

2231
01:51:39,470 --> 01:51:37,100
just always had a very strong connection

2232
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:39,480
with them and most of the Native

2233
01:51:44,330 --> 01:51:42,210
American tribes of this country and

2234
01:51:48,230 --> 01:51:44,340
other Native American other native

2235
01:51:50,290 --> 01:51:48,240
tribes I think in part that's because my

2236
01:51:52,940 --> 01:51:50,300
great-great-great grandmother was a

2237
01:51:54,830 --> 01:51:52,950
Blackfeet Indian and I remember my

2238
01:51:58,280 --> 01:51:54,840
grandfather in a picture of her which

2239
01:52:05,840 --> 01:51:58,290
she looked like and so I'm about a

2240
01:52:06,590 --> 01:52:05,850
quarter American Indian so that could be

2241
01:52:08,780 --> 01:52:06,600
part of it

2242
01:52:11,090 --> 01:52:08,790
but I've always had a really strong

2243
01:52:13,820 --> 01:52:11,100
connection and when I saw the movie by

2244
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:13,830
Peter Weir who's one of my next favorite

2245
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:17,250
filmmakers to Kubrick when I saw the

2246
01:52:22,580 --> 01:52:20,030
last wave and Picnic at Hanging Rock

2247
01:52:26,660 --> 01:52:22,590
right there is something just spoke to

2248
01:52:29,630 --> 01:52:26,670
me another one was the shot which he

2249
01:52:31,130 --> 01:52:29,640
didn't direct but which was an

2250
01:52:34,250 --> 01:52:31,140
incredible film too and those three

2251
01:52:37,370 --> 01:52:34,260
films really got me very fascinated with

2252
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:37,380
David Kulu Phil who of course played the

2253
01:52:46,540 --> 01:52:43,050
aborigine in the last wave and he was

2254
01:52:49,010 --> 01:52:46,550
also featured in the right stuff right

2255
01:52:51,890 --> 01:52:49,020
just fascinated me

2256
01:52:56,090 --> 01:52:51,900
and when I saw the cave paintings I

2257
01:52:57,860 --> 01:52:56,100
don't think it you know I I don't have

2258
01:53:00,380 --> 01:52:57,870
to have a house fall on me when I to

2259
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:00,390
know that those paintings are so similar

2260
01:53:06,140 --> 01:53:03,770
to the visitors that people see today

2261
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:06,150
and would you read the stories about

2262
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:08,960
them and what they were to the people I

2263
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:11,760
know that something's there oh there it

2264
01:53:16,430 --> 01:53:13,040
is again

2265
01:53:19,940 --> 01:53:16,440
this is it's just an incredible painting

2266
01:53:21,590 --> 01:53:19,950
and it it I would like to almost see

2267
01:53:23,630 --> 01:53:21,600
this in person do you still have it

2268
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:23,640
oh I still have it yeah I just finished

2269
01:53:27,620 --> 01:53:25,050
it the other day I did it about a year

2270
01:53:31,310 --> 01:53:27,630
ago we actually had one person who's

2271
01:53:33,620 --> 01:53:31,320
probably listening now on on on stellar

2272
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:33,630
complain about it that I didn't have a

2273
01:53:41,300 --> 01:53:37,440
right to do an aboriginal painting not

2274
01:53:43,340 --> 01:53:41,310
being Aboriginal and that I was gonna

2275
01:53:47,970 --> 01:53:43,350
have bad luck as a result are you

2276
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:47,980
serious no I'm but you can go to well I

2277
01:53:52,440 --> 01:53:51,130
no I trust you on that part I have to

2278
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:52,450
calm it there because I don't take

2279
01:53:58,740 --> 01:53:55,330
comments down right oh you know I may

2280
01:54:01,590 --> 01:53:58,750
not respond to him but I don't you got

2281
01:54:03,420 --> 01:54:01,600
love social media but this is incredible

2282
01:54:06,750 --> 01:54:03,430
and I would love to have this hanging in

2283
01:54:09,570 --> 01:54:06,760
the bunker this is uh that is just an

2284
01:54:11,430 --> 01:54:09,580
amazing amazing piece of work let's take

2285
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:11,440
a break right here and we're gonna

2286
01:54:16,440 --> 01:54:13,450
continue all of this when we come back

2287
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:16,450
our guest tonight filmmaker special

2288
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:20,320
effects guru director Steve Neil is here

2289
01:54:24,330 --> 01:54:22,410
that's right we're talking about as new

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series and it's called

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but something is there more with Steve

2292
01:54:32,900 --> 01:54:28,990
after this short break stay with us

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Steve I'm just gonna tell you your work

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is now all over Twitter by the way

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everybody's got it up there are you on

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yeah I am I you know I I haven't been

2386
01:59:17,770 --> 01:59:14,059
there a lot lately or Instagram but I do

2387
01:59:21,580 --> 01:59:17,780
have all of those and it's like I said

2388
01:59:24,549 --> 01:59:21,590
it's a time issue and I do check a check

2389
01:59:27,899 --> 01:59:24,559
on stellar the most Facebook is like

2390
01:59:32,649 --> 01:59:27,909
well you know it's the necessary evil

2391
01:59:34,959 --> 01:59:32,659
right and I checked YouTube although I'm

2392
01:59:37,659 --> 01:59:34,969
looking forward to real TV I hope that

2393
01:59:43,029 --> 01:59:37,669
works out for him well we're gonna have

2394
01:59:45,759 --> 01:59:43,039
over at on stellar very soon maybe in

2395
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:45,769
about a week we're gonna have our own

2396
01:59:51,759 --> 01:59:48,169
video channels too as well so that's a

2397
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:51,769
that's the next that's the next launch

2398
01:59:58,119 --> 01:59:55,280
that will be coming in in 1 of the next

2399
02:00:03,549 --> 01:59:58,129
updates I'm very excited about that

2400
02:00:08,379 --> 02:00:03,559
now the the next four episodes which you

2401
02:00:11,919 --> 02:00:08,389
have written are those is it going to be

2402
02:00:15,189 --> 02:00:11,929
done in a linear fashion on your life is

2403
02:00:19,449 --> 02:00:15,199
it going to just if you know what I mean

2404
02:00:23,349 --> 02:00:19,459
a linear timeline no I thought about

2405
02:00:26,649 --> 02:00:23,359
that and it's just it's not going that

2406
02:00:31,029 --> 02:00:26,659
way the the next script is called The

2407
02:00:34,989 --> 02:00:31,039
Dreamtime the next one after that is

2408
02:00:37,869 --> 02:00:34,999
called strangers in the night grasping

2409
02:00:42,549 --> 02:00:37,879
it grasping at straws and so the

2410
02:00:45,459 --> 02:00:42,559
skullduggery are the next scripts that

2411
02:00:49,529 --> 02:00:45,469
I'm writing and each one of them goes

2412
02:00:54,189 --> 02:00:49,539
into different aspects of the experience

2413
02:00:56,929 --> 02:00:54,199
because it's so it's it's it has so many

2414
02:00:58,819 --> 02:00:56,939
aspects to it it's not just

2415
02:01:00,439 --> 02:00:58,829
strangers coming in the night and taking

2416
02:01:04,279 --> 02:01:00,449
you out of your room and take you to a

2417
02:01:06,199 --> 02:01:04,289
different location and observing you or

2418
02:01:08,779 --> 02:01:06,209
even doing tests on you although I've

2419
02:01:13,459 --> 02:01:08,789
had all that done there's a great deal

2420
02:01:16,790 --> 02:01:13,469
more to it and it seems that overall the

2421
02:01:20,020 --> 02:01:16,800
the aspect that's most important to me

2422
02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:20,030
and also to the interaction with these

2423
02:01:26,209 --> 02:01:24,169
visitors whoever they may be is that we

2424
02:01:28,759 --> 02:01:26,219
reconnect with our universe and

2425
02:01:32,149 --> 02:01:28,769
reconnect with the many worlds that

2426
02:01:35,419 --> 02:01:32,159
we've always existed in but we have been

2427
02:01:37,729 --> 02:01:35,429
told we don't we've been told we don't

2428
02:01:40,219 --> 02:01:37,739
have psychic abilities we've been told

2429
02:01:42,529 --> 02:01:40,229
they're not ghosts we've told that you

2430
02:01:44,390 --> 02:01:42,539
don't live after your brain ceased

2431
02:01:47,109 --> 02:01:44,400
functioning we've been told all these

2432
02:01:52,179 --> 02:01:47,119
things for years and years by people in

2433
02:01:56,299 --> 02:01:52,189
control they don't want you to know that

2434
02:02:00,679 --> 02:01:56,309
we live in multiple worlds and it's

2435
02:02:03,169 --> 02:02:00,689
difficult to to come up with dialogue

2436
02:02:05,659 --> 02:02:03,179
for this subject that really works and

2437
02:02:10,419 --> 02:02:05,669
it doesn't sound crazy it all sounds

2438
02:02:13,729 --> 02:02:10,429
crazy but one of the issues is death and

2439
02:02:16,089 --> 02:02:13,739
I've had amazing experiences as whitley

2440
02:02:20,239 --> 02:02:16,099
has had and especially more recently

2441
02:02:27,259 --> 02:02:20,249
with the passing of an who i missed a

2442
02:02:31,699 --> 02:02:27,269
great deal that there is no end to our

2443
02:02:35,929 --> 02:02:31,709
consciousness or to our souls once we

2444
02:02:37,669 --> 02:02:35,939
pass on i've had the same experience

2445
02:02:41,479 --> 02:02:37,679
that whitley is on i had it much earlier

2446
02:02:44,479 --> 02:02:41,489
in life where someone died i loved and

2447
02:02:46,399 --> 02:02:44,489
came to me and told me I was right about

2448
02:02:50,449 --> 02:02:46,409
all this crazy stuff and she even this

2449
02:02:52,069 --> 02:02:50,459
was she was going off to leave told me

2450
02:02:54,919 --> 02:02:52,079
that I was right about the aliens -

2451
02:02:58,069 --> 02:02:54,929
that's what she called them but there

2452
02:02:59,569 --> 02:02:58,079
was absolutely no way that I knew this

2453
02:03:01,069 --> 02:02:59,579
person was going to die that they were

2454
02:03:04,129 --> 02:03:01,079
sick or anything like that it was a

2455
02:03:06,219 --> 02:03:04,139
freak accident and I had this amazing

2456
02:03:10,729 --> 02:03:06,229
experience that I wrote about my book

2457
02:03:12,859 --> 02:03:10,739
and I am now finding that

2458
02:03:17,169 --> 02:03:12,869
there is a connection between the

2459
02:03:21,020 --> 02:03:17,179
visitor experience and the other side

2460
02:03:24,169 --> 02:03:21,030
that actually were those two worlds

2461
02:03:26,989 --> 02:03:24,179
actually exists together it's just as a

2462
02:03:33,620 --> 02:03:26,999
race of beings as a culture we have

2463
02:03:35,839 --> 02:03:33,630
separated ourselves from it the that

2464
02:03:39,290 --> 02:03:35,849
aspect of it I find completely

2465
02:03:43,089 --> 02:03:39,300
fascinating and when I heard this was

2466
02:03:47,899 --> 02:03:43,099
years ago when I first heard Whitley

2467
02:03:51,109 --> 02:03:47,909
talked about that part of it I really

2468
02:03:53,899 --> 02:03:51,119
resonated with that and that concept of

2469
02:03:56,660 --> 02:03:53,909
it was something that I had never felt

2470
02:03:59,899 --> 02:03:56,670
or heard from anybody else

2471
02:04:04,000 --> 02:03:59,909
and to hear Whitley speak about it I'm

2472
02:04:08,870 --> 02:04:04,010
telling you that was a very very

2473
02:04:12,290 --> 02:04:08,880
life-changing thing for me to hear to

2474
02:04:15,529 --> 02:04:12,300
hear him present it like that and going

2475
02:04:18,290 --> 02:04:15,539
through to today as we start to find out

2476
02:04:22,790 --> 02:04:18,300
about scientifically other dimensions

2477
02:04:25,790 --> 02:04:22,800
parallel worlds multiverses and string

2478
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:25,800
theory quantum theory that this does

2479
02:04:34,489 --> 02:04:31,650
indeed exist and yes the that part of it

2480
02:04:37,189 --> 02:04:34,499
is what I want to ask you about now is

2481
02:04:40,270 --> 02:04:37,199
there I know that you haven't fully

2482
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:40,280
answered these questions but what about

2483
02:04:47,930 --> 02:04:45,090
contemplating the possibility of what

2484
02:04:52,729 --> 02:04:47,940
you are experiencing is ash actually us

2485
02:04:56,419 --> 02:04:52,739
maybe us from the future that exists in

2486
02:04:59,390 --> 02:04:56,429
another world but it could be us and it

2487
02:05:03,229 --> 02:04:59,400
could be what is happening on the other

2488
02:05:05,169 --> 02:05:03,239
side after we die well of course I've

2489
02:05:09,200 --> 02:05:05,179
entertained all these all these

2490
02:05:14,970 --> 02:05:09,210
possibilities and all these theories but

2491
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:14,980
I go back to about was it 19

2492
02:05:20,460 --> 02:05:16,570
seventy-eight when I have the experience

2493
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:20,470
with Judy if she is my girlfriend and on

2494
02:05:25,470 --> 02:05:22,210
this particular night she spent a night

2495
02:05:27,630 --> 02:05:25,480
at a friend's house and I'd come out a

2496
02:05:31,020 --> 02:05:27,640
come home from being out to dinner with

2497
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:31,030
a friend and I remember she called me

2498
02:05:34,290 --> 02:05:32,770
and she left the message I didn't pick

2499
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:34,300
up because I was so exhausted I just

2500
02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:35,530
wanted to go to bed it's gonna call her

2501
02:05:40,290 --> 02:05:38,170
in the morning next morning I had a

2502
02:05:42,479 --> 02:05:40,300
screening to go to of a movie called

2503
02:05:44,550 --> 02:05:42,489
battle beyond the stars which I worked

2504
02:05:47,640 --> 02:05:44,560
on with which was a Roger Corman movie

2505
02:05:51,510 --> 02:05:47,650
and so I was very excited to go to that

2506
02:05:53,340 --> 02:05:51,520
but what happened around 6:00 6:30 in

2507
02:05:58,050 --> 02:05:53,350
the morning is I had this amazing dream

2508
02:06:01,500 --> 02:05:58,060
and the dream of course was Judy and she

2509
02:06:04,620 --> 02:06:01,510
was I've suddenly found myself floating

2510
02:06:06,930 --> 02:06:04,630
in like clouds with this this ridiculous

2511
02:06:09,120 --> 02:06:06,940
new-age sounding ambient music in the

2512
02:06:11,010 --> 02:06:09,130
background and colored lights moving

2513
02:06:13,860 --> 02:06:11,020
through the clouds and she comes out

2514
02:06:17,160 --> 02:06:13,870
butt naked except for a pair of

2515
02:06:19,470 --> 02:06:17,170
underwear on panties and she floats up

2516
02:06:23,130 --> 02:06:19,480
to me and she puts her arms around me

2517
02:06:25,620 --> 02:06:23,140
and she says how Incredibles is she felt

2518
02:06:27,870 --> 02:06:25,630
how beautiful all this was and not to

2519
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:27,880
worry about her that she had to move on

2520
02:06:33,240 --> 02:06:30,970
that she was going to go but she had to

2521
02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:33,250
come say goodbye she had to tell me I

2522
02:06:39,240 --> 02:06:37,210
was right we do live after we die and oh

2523
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:39,250
by the way those silly aliens you always

2524
02:06:45,090 --> 02:06:41,770
used to tell me about they're real too

2525
02:06:48,630 --> 02:06:45,100
and we hugged and it was an amazing

2526
02:06:51,300 --> 02:06:48,640
emotional moment and she left and I woke

2527
02:06:53,430 --> 02:06:51,310
up going what the hell was that it was

2528
02:06:54,990 --> 02:06:53,440
very powerful Johansson I I you know I

2529
02:06:57,300 --> 02:06:55,000
just thought was a dream I had no time

2530
02:06:58,860 --> 02:06:57,310
for it I I you know I was young I

2531
02:07:00,840 --> 02:06:58,870
couldn't wait to get to premiere and see

2532
02:07:03,060 --> 02:07:00,850
my work on the big screen when I came

2533
02:07:04,830 --> 02:07:03,070
home from the screening there were all

2534
02:07:06,270 --> 02:07:04,840
these messages of machine

2535
02:07:09,090 --> 02:07:06,280
that she had died during the night

2536
02:07:11,070 --> 02:07:09,100
around 6:30 in the morning and she was

2537
02:07:20,900 --> 02:07:11,080
found laying on the floor in a pair of

2538
02:07:24,900 --> 02:07:20,910
panties completely naked so that I I I

2539
02:07:27,590 --> 02:07:24,910
thought you'll yeah for two weeks I

2540
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:27,600
couldn't keep food down I was just

2541
02:07:34,830 --> 02:07:32,410
really really really sick and I I've

2542
02:07:38,250 --> 02:07:34,840
never forgot it and when I think about

2543
02:07:40,620 --> 02:07:38,260
it I just think to myself what an

2544
02:07:42,900 --> 02:07:40,630
incredibly beautiful little soul she had

2545
02:07:46,860 --> 02:07:42,910
that she made that effort to do that

2546
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:46,870
that's exactly where I was going okay so

2547
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:49,090
you have all of the emotional side of

2548
02:07:54,750 --> 02:07:51,010
that and and I guess yeah

2549
02:07:57,270 --> 02:07:54,760
but probably and and not to be cavalier

2550
02:08:02,600 --> 02:07:57,280
here but but to something even bigger

2551
02:08:06,540 --> 02:08:02,610
than that is the verification of

2552
02:08:10,050 --> 02:08:06,550
something else to us and this world

2553
02:08:11,940 --> 02:08:10,060
I mean how tremendous is that it's huge

2554
02:08:14,690 --> 02:08:11,950
it happened to my mother too and I

2555
02:08:17,250 --> 02:08:14,700
remember her telling me the story of

2556
02:08:19,229 --> 02:08:17,260
waking up in the night in her

2557
02:08:20,640 --> 02:08:19,239
grandmother sitting on the bed and she

2558
02:08:23,570 --> 02:08:20,650
said you know I came to say goodbye to

2559
02:08:27,630 --> 02:08:23,580
you I really really love you so much and

2560
02:08:30,270 --> 02:08:27,640
then the phone rang and she looked and

2561
02:08:32,670 --> 02:08:30,280
her grandmother was gone and then she

2562
02:08:35,670 --> 02:08:32,680
heard my grammar her mother on the phone

2563
02:08:37,470 --> 02:08:35,680
in the hallway and she broke into tears

2564
02:08:42,120 --> 02:08:37,480
and then she came in and said honey

2565
02:08:44,810 --> 02:08:42,130
your grandmother just died so on both

2566
02:08:47,100 --> 02:08:44,820
sides of my family this kind of thing is

2567
02:08:49,410 --> 02:08:47,110
apparent the

2568
02:08:55,590 --> 02:08:49,420
there's there's something else to this

2569
02:09:00,450 --> 02:08:55,600
to Steve which is Sciences wants to tell

2570
02:09:02,820 --> 02:09:00,460
us that once your brain stops that's it

2571
02:09:04,350 --> 02:09:02,830
right there there's nothing else there

2572
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:04,360
there are no memories there are no

2573
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:07,530
dreams are there aren't anything the

2574
02:09:15,030 --> 02:09:12,400
everything about you is is now dead it's

2575
02:09:19,200 --> 02:09:15,040
done and then we have something like

2576
02:09:23,640 --> 02:09:19,210
this with Judy which clearly represents

2577
02:09:26,100 --> 02:09:23,650
the continuation and a connection not

2578
02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:26,110
only with the soul but with the universe

2579
02:09:32,580 --> 02:09:28,330
and with you and we have the ability to

2580
02:09:34,920 --> 02:09:32,590
do just that and the to now I think

2581
02:09:36,030 --> 02:09:34,930
today scientifically are starting to

2582
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:36,040
join in there

2583
02:09:44,340 --> 02:09:40,570
understanding that but the soul doesn't

2584
02:09:50,220 --> 02:09:44,350
stop when the brain stops no and and we

2585
02:09:53,400 --> 02:09:50,230
can be with our loved ones still weak I

2586
02:09:57,180 --> 02:09:53,410
I still see my late wife Jilly who

2587
02:10:00,870 --> 02:09:57,190
passed from cancer back in 2013 a brutal

2588
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:00,880
battle with it which she lost and I

2589
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:03,010
constantly am having experiences her

2590
02:10:08,250 --> 02:10:05,770
when I'm it's asleep at night in a

2591
02:10:10,500 --> 02:10:08,260
different world with her and she's fine

2592
02:10:13,950 --> 02:10:10,510
and when it first started happening to

2593
02:10:15,810 --> 02:10:13,960
me I was so confused I would see her

2594
02:10:18,030 --> 02:10:15,820
daughter there and everything seemed

2595
02:10:21,060 --> 02:10:18,040
fine and I said this doesn't make any

2596
02:10:22,710 --> 02:10:21,070
sense your mom died I know she died she

2597
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:22,720
this can't be right

2598
02:10:29,700 --> 02:10:26,250
it took me a while to realize that

2599
02:10:31,560 --> 02:10:29,710
something else was going on here that it

2600
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:31,570
wasn't a dream that is actually real and

2601
02:10:36,750 --> 02:10:33,130
that Whitley and I talked about it a lot

2602
02:10:41,010 --> 02:10:36,760
and I'm still in touch and in this

2603
02:10:45,690 --> 02:10:41,020
because the way we are are taught by our

2604
02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:45,700
culture we resist these things happening

2605
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:49,410
to us and it can make you crazy

2606
02:10:56,270 --> 02:10:53,050
in fact it could be part of the reason

2607
02:11:01,770 --> 02:10:56,280
the world is so crazy is that it can't

2608
02:11:03,450 --> 02:11:01,780
accept that we're part of that world on

2609
02:11:05,700 --> 02:11:03,460
the other side as much as we're part of

2610
02:11:09,320 --> 02:11:05,710
this one and that if the two could come

2611
02:11:13,130 --> 02:11:09,330
together and we live in both of them I

2612
02:11:15,450 --> 02:11:13,140
think people being less of a hurry and

2613
02:11:16,920 --> 02:11:15,460
less likely to want to hurt each other

2614
02:11:19,950 --> 02:11:16,930
and steal from each other and everything

2615
02:11:22,350 --> 02:11:19,960
else if they knew that it didn't all end

2616
02:11:25,800 --> 02:11:22,360
when that brain stopped functioning how

2617
02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:25,810
connected is everything Steve if if one

2618
02:11:32,370 --> 02:11:29,920
of if one of these elements of the

2619
02:11:33,210 --> 02:11:32,380
paranormal or the supernatural you know

2620
02:11:37,590 --> 02:11:33,220
our community

2621
02:11:41,730 --> 02:11:37,600
if one one domino falls and I say this

2622
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:41,740
all the time don't they all fall well I

2623
02:11:49,859 --> 02:11:47,050
think so I it's my eye I know that all

2624
02:11:51,870 --> 02:11:49,869
these I avoid that word believe I really

2625
02:11:53,459 --> 02:11:51,880
don't like it you know this poster says

2626
02:11:55,890 --> 02:11:53,469
I want to believe I want to know and

2627
02:11:58,070 --> 02:11:55,900
it's okay not to know and what I know is

2628
02:12:01,350 --> 02:11:58,080
is that all these events all these

2629
02:12:06,030 --> 02:12:01,360
phenomena are connected they're not

2630
02:12:08,939 --> 02:12:06,040
separate and that also I think that

2631
02:12:12,120 --> 02:12:08,949
extends you know off planet

2632
02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:12,130
ain't no off planet to other planets but

2633
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:15,610
I mean the universe in general and if we

2634
02:12:21,830 --> 02:12:18,610
are just now coming to terms with that

2635
02:12:23,970 --> 02:12:21,840
and and trying to prove that

2636
02:12:26,189 --> 02:12:23,980
scientifically and so we can move on

2637
02:12:29,790 --> 02:12:26,199
well certainly something out there

2638
02:12:32,310 --> 02:12:29,800
another culture that is ten thousand a

2639
02:12:35,430 --> 02:12:32,320
million years more advanced than us they

2640
02:12:38,310 --> 02:12:35,440
figure that out a long time ago well

2641
02:12:41,129 --> 02:12:38,320
funny enough if you talk to the elders

2642
02:12:44,399 --> 02:12:41,139
the tribal elders of this world you

2643
02:12:47,550 --> 02:12:44,409
talked to the indigenous people of many

2644
02:12:51,839 --> 02:12:47,560
many lands on this on this earth whether

2645
02:12:55,890 --> 02:12:51,849
it be the Native Americans or the

2646
02:12:58,169 --> 02:12:55,900
Aborigines you're gonna you're gonna

2647
02:13:02,550 --> 02:12:58,179
hear that they have already come to

2648
02:13:08,580 --> 02:13:02,560
terms with this a long time ago so well

2649
02:13:12,300 --> 02:13:08,590
represented in in what but it's Apollo

2650
02:13:13,859 --> 02:13:12,310
13 Apollo what was the movie oh you're

2651
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:13,869
thinking of the right stuff yeah the

2652
02:13:18,300 --> 02:13:16,000
right stuff well if you've never seen

2653
02:13:19,649 --> 02:13:18,310
the last wave you need to see that the

2654
02:13:21,780 --> 02:13:19,659
last wave is incredible

2655
02:13:25,950 --> 02:13:21,790
yeah and that really goes into it too I

2656
02:13:27,300 --> 02:13:25,960
mean these these ancient people I will

2657
02:13:28,530 --> 02:13:27,310
never use the word primitive because

2658
02:13:33,810 --> 02:13:28,540
they were the furthest thing from

2659
02:13:36,990 --> 02:13:33,820
primitive they openly and freely talk to

2660
02:13:40,890 --> 02:13:37,000
their dead and talk to the sky people

2661
02:13:43,609 --> 02:13:40,900
and knew that their dreams were more and

2662
02:13:47,189 --> 02:13:43,619
they walked in them in other worlds and

2663
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:47,199
benefited from from this this composite

2664
02:13:54,300 --> 02:13:50,010
of all this different states of being

2665
02:13:56,700 --> 02:13:54,310
and I'm looking at the clock here man I

2666
02:13:59,010 --> 02:13:56,710
don't want to run out of time and and if

2667
02:14:01,020 --> 02:13:59,020
we do I'm gonna keep you over for a few

2668
02:14:02,379 --> 02:14:01,030
minutes of overtime you know no choice

2669
02:14:05,540 --> 02:14:02,389
but

2670
02:14:08,649 --> 02:14:05,550
and talking about all of these subjects

2671
02:14:11,799 --> 02:14:08,659
and your experience in Hollywood

2672
02:14:15,770 --> 02:14:11,809
certainly we have Kubrick and we have

2673
02:14:17,779 --> 02:14:15,780
Spielberg Spielberg seems to want to do

2674
02:14:21,410 --> 02:14:17,789
nothing but make films on this subject

2675
02:14:23,779 --> 02:14:21,420
matter he's done so many we and and I

2676
02:14:26,629 --> 02:14:23,789
think that most of us forget how many

2677
02:14:29,000 --> 02:14:26,639
he's actually done on ET and the subject

2678
02:14:31,220 --> 02:14:29,010
to just go back and and look at his IMDB

2679
02:14:32,450 --> 02:14:31,230
page and then you start to remember most

2680
02:14:34,939 --> 02:14:32,460
you know most people don't remember

2681
02:14:37,189 --> 02:14:34,949
films like super 8 or I hate they they

2682
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:37,199
always if you know what I mean they they

2683
02:14:42,049 --> 02:14:40,079
remember the et or they remember Close

2684
02:14:46,540 --> 02:14:42,059
Encounters but he has done a ton of

2685
02:14:48,859 --> 02:14:46,550
films on this is there something that

2686
02:14:50,810 --> 02:14:48,869
like Kubrick and Spielberg

2687
02:14:52,370 --> 02:14:50,820
do you think that they're in the know do

2688
02:14:54,830 --> 02:14:52,380
you think that they've been read in is

2689
02:14:58,910 --> 02:14:54,840
there a message that Hollywood is trying

2690
02:15:01,899 --> 02:14:58,920
to drip fetus I can't say for sure but I

2691
02:15:04,669 --> 02:15:01,909
sure do think some of them Laura now

2692
02:15:07,700 --> 02:15:04,679
there are some things that I know about

2693
02:15:09,740 --> 02:15:07,710
that I literally don't know if it's okay

2694
02:15:13,250 --> 02:15:09,750
to talk about about an interaction I had

2695
02:15:16,819 --> 02:15:13,260
with Jacques filet once but I can say

2696
02:15:20,450 --> 02:15:16,829
that watching his films and that

2697
02:15:23,870 --> 02:15:20,460
particularly Close Encounters one of the

2698
02:15:25,790 --> 02:15:23,880
scenes that most impressed me about how

2699
02:15:28,760 --> 02:15:25,800
much he really knows about this subject

2700
02:15:32,229 --> 02:15:28,770
and how it's handled and controlled and

2701
02:15:36,859 --> 02:15:32,239
spun by the media is the scene where

2702
02:15:42,290 --> 02:15:36,869
nori Neary is in the news conference

2703
02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:42,300
with Jillian and he's trying to talk

2704
02:15:48,379 --> 02:15:45,210
about her boy being taken about what he

2705
02:15:51,109 --> 02:15:48,389
had seen and this lunatic suddenly

2706
02:15:53,149 --> 02:15:51,119
speaks out and says I once saw a Bigfoot

2707
02:15:55,580 --> 02:15:53,159
right right right it's two ashtrays and

2708
02:15:58,669 --> 02:15:55,590
you watch all the media's attention all

2709
02:16:02,089 --> 02:15:58,679
the cameras turned to him and they the

2710
02:16:09,719 --> 02:16:02,099
woman who lost her child and mr. neary

2711
02:16:14,290 --> 02:16:09,729
sit there just dumbfounded the

2712
02:16:18,910 --> 02:16:14,300
the the aspect of the media treating it

2713
02:16:21,339 --> 02:16:18,920
that way they constantly running with

2714
02:16:24,100 --> 02:16:21,349
the x-files music and then cracking a

2715
02:16:25,870 --> 02:16:24,110
joke is exactly what you're talking

2716
02:16:28,629 --> 02:16:25,880
about there and that bit that Bigfoot

2717
02:16:31,719 --> 02:16:28,639
scene is exactly represented on how it's

2718
02:16:34,929 --> 02:16:31,729
been spun and I couldn't agree with you

2719
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:34,939
more I want to say this though Jacques

2720
02:16:41,080 --> 02:16:38,090
Vallee is an alien yeah well he's

2721
02:16:42,759 --> 02:16:41,090
certainly tall he was so kind to me and

2722
02:16:50,830 --> 02:16:42,769
he took me I was on the Vicki Lawrence

2723
02:16:54,759 --> 02:16:50,840
show and he took me aside and he told me

2724
02:16:57,209 --> 02:16:54,769
some things that I won't share here

2725
02:17:00,570 --> 02:16:57,219
because I never saw him write about it

2726
02:17:04,059 --> 02:17:00,580
but he told me some things in regards to

2727
02:17:06,309 --> 02:17:04,069
2000-2001 death that would be two Close

2728
02:17:11,320 --> 02:17:06,319
Encounters encounters yeah well one of

2729
02:17:12,339 --> 02:17:11,330
the things he said to me was that he

2730
02:17:14,950 --> 02:17:12,349
believed my story

2731
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:14,960
he believed our stories and he thought

2732
02:17:19,450 --> 02:17:17,840
that this was really about us not about

2733
02:17:22,509 --> 02:17:19,460
the government not about the

2734
02:17:25,540 --> 02:17:22,519
investigations but this was for us that

2735
02:17:28,450 --> 02:17:25,550
we were important to this experience and

2736
02:17:31,599 --> 02:17:28,460
it was almost identical to what Francois

2737
02:17:34,389 --> 02:17:31,609
Truffaut said in the film and it really

2738
02:17:36,009 --> 02:17:34,399
was a chilling moment because he was you

2739
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:36,019
know he sort of stooped down to me I'm

2740
02:17:41,919 --> 02:17:39,290
almost six-foot but he was towering over

2741
02:17:44,349 --> 02:17:41,929
me and at least that's what the scene at

2742
02:17:45,849 --> 02:17:44,359
the time and and it really that and some

2743
02:17:48,339 --> 02:17:45,859
other things he told me I can't talk

2744
02:17:50,729 --> 02:17:48,349
about or shouldn't talk about absolutely

2745
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:50,739
blew my mind there was a series of

2746
02:17:56,019 --> 02:17:53,599
interviews that and I talked to him

2747
02:17:59,379 --> 02:17:56,029
about this there's a series of

2748
02:18:01,179 --> 02:17:59,389
interviews that he did I believe like at

2749
02:18:06,009 --> 02:18:01,189
San Francisco State you know there's

2750
02:18:08,650 --> 02:18:06,019
some college up there and they're from

2751
02:18:11,049 --> 02:18:08,660
the 80s with I think there's professor

2752
02:18:13,540 --> 02:18:11,059
love I think what's his name but anyway

2753
02:18:16,690 --> 02:18:13,550
you can find them online and they're

2754
02:18:21,379 --> 02:18:16,700
really amazing but anyway jacque's

2755
02:18:24,019 --> 02:18:21,389
eyes had a look to them back then

2756
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:24,029
and I was so captivated with that and so

2757
02:18:28,219 --> 02:18:26,250
when I finally got to you know hang out

2758
02:18:30,799 --> 02:18:28,229
with jock a little bit a couple of years

2759
02:18:33,830 --> 02:18:30,809
ago and and talk to him privately I'm

2760
02:18:36,530 --> 02:18:33,840
looking into his eyes and I'm like this

2761
02:18:39,049 --> 02:18:36,540
is like the smartest guy I have ever you

2762
02:18:41,959 --> 02:18:39,059
know you know been with I could feel

2763
02:18:44,839 --> 02:18:41,969
there's something going on there yeah

2764
02:18:48,259 --> 02:18:44,849
and I can't quite figure it out Steve

2765
02:18:50,030 --> 02:18:48,269
I can't but he's got some knowledge he's

2766
02:18:53,419 --> 02:18:50,040
got some knowledge on the subject and I

2767
02:18:55,399 --> 02:18:53,429
don't think he has let us know

2768
02:18:57,769 --> 02:18:55,409
everything I think he's been holding

2769
02:19:01,490 --> 02:18:57,779
down he has been holding back but he

2770
02:19:03,410 --> 02:19:01,500
does not hold back to people who are

2771
02:19:04,660 --> 02:19:03,420
experienced there's who he believes are

2772
02:19:08,450 --> 02:19:04,670
telling the truth

2773
02:19:12,169 --> 02:19:08,460
and he didn't tell me don't share this

2774
02:19:15,410 --> 02:19:12,179
with anyone tell me I could either so

2775
02:19:18,229 --> 02:19:15,420
I'm back shocked I have told other

2776
02:19:21,830 --> 02:19:18,239
people I even spoke about it at Avon's

2777
02:19:23,660 --> 02:19:21,840
group but I won't do it on a national

2778
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:23,670
radio or any public venue because I

2779
02:19:28,370 --> 02:19:25,920
really he'd ever told me whether it was

2780
02:19:30,379 --> 02:19:28,380
safe to talk about it or not and he's

2781
02:19:31,969 --> 02:19:30,389
much taller than 6 foot by the way I've

2782
02:19:34,580 --> 02:19:31,979
got some pictures of the damn house

2783
02:19:38,269 --> 02:19:34,590
together and I'm 6 foot and he ain't -

2784
02:19:40,099 --> 02:19:38,279
yeah he towered over me I've got I got a

2785
02:19:42,019 --> 02:19:40,109
picture of myself standing on stage with

2786
02:19:44,750 --> 02:19:42,029
him and he's standing right next to me

2787
02:19:47,479 --> 02:19:44,760
and and on the other side of him is

2788
02:19:49,729 --> 02:19:47,489
Jimmy Doohan and walter Koenig and Chad

2789
02:19:51,979 --> 02:19:49,739
Everett and Marina Sirtis it was an

2790
02:19:56,090 --> 02:19:51,989
amazing show and Vicki Lawrence that I

2791
02:19:59,809 --> 02:19:56,100
did back during the 90s back to

2792
02:20:01,130 --> 02:19:59,819
Hollywood before we get back to the get

2793
02:20:03,320 --> 02:20:01,140
to the break I'm gonna I'm gonna keep

2794
02:20:05,510 --> 02:20:03,330
you over for a few minutes if that's

2795
02:20:09,979 --> 02:20:05,520
okay

2796
02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:09,989
back to Hollywood there seems to be an

2797
02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:12,810
easy way to get a film

2798
02:20:20,450 --> 02:20:16,560
greenlit and that is an alien picture

2799
02:20:23,229 --> 02:20:20,460
and we have had an over the last couple

2800
02:20:27,320 --> 02:20:23,239
of years run of pretty extraordinary

2801
02:20:32,100 --> 02:20:27,330
films like like a rival all right yes

2802
02:20:35,980 --> 02:20:32,110
yes yes yes away why is it that

2803
02:20:37,930 --> 02:20:35,990
they get greenlit do you think that it's

2804
02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:37,940
it's part of the production team and the

2805
02:20:40,900 --> 02:20:39,530
presidents of the vice president's and

2806
02:20:44,580 --> 02:20:40,910
the head of productions and they're fans

2807
02:20:48,970 --> 02:20:44,590
of the genre or is it that the

2808
02:20:52,210 --> 02:20:48,980
audience's need to see this they buy the

2809
02:20:55,480 --> 02:20:52,220
tickets right yeah they do but you know

2810
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:55,490
I mean as far as they know rival was not

2811
02:21:02,830 --> 02:20:59,120
that well-received correct me if I'm

2812
02:21:06,790 --> 02:21:02,840
wrong but it didn't do that well which

2813
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:06,800
would say what which well you know

2814
02:21:10,750 --> 02:21:08,450
whenever I see a film like this I always

2815
02:21:12,580 --> 02:21:10,760
looked at Mary I say this was terrific

2816
02:21:14,440 --> 02:21:12,590
everyone told me it was a piece of

2817
02:21:17,440 --> 02:21:14,450
garbage that I wouldn't like it what do

2818
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:17,450
you this this is amazing that the things

2819
02:21:21,490 --> 02:21:18,890
they were talking about towards the end

2820
02:21:23,320 --> 02:21:21,500
of the film were very much what we're

2821
02:21:26,050 --> 02:21:23,330
talking about right now that's right

2822
02:21:28,690 --> 02:21:26,060
especially about how time is not linear

2823
02:21:32,261 --> 02:21:28,700
and it's absolutely not we have made it

2824
02:21:34,060 --> 02:21:32,271
that but my big question was who pays

2825
02:21:38,261 --> 02:21:34,070
for these things who puts out this

2826
02:21:41,410 --> 02:21:38,271
enormous amount of money and you know

2827
02:21:44,140 --> 02:21:41,420
and it only does so well you know I

2828
02:21:46,420 --> 02:21:44,150
always had problems getting anything

2829
02:21:48,340 --> 02:21:46,430
financed that that I felt was an

2830
02:21:52,420 --> 02:21:48,350
intelligent approach to the subject

2831
02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:52,430
matter you know if it was Independence

2832
02:21:56,500 --> 02:21:53,930
Day or something like that yeah it's

2833
02:21:59,950 --> 02:21:56,510
it's going to be full of action and but

2834
02:22:03,580 --> 02:21:59,960
you know a movie like a rival you really

2835
02:22:06,340 --> 02:22:03,590
had to think oh it was it was Rita and I

2836
02:22:09,790 --> 02:22:06,350
walked away from the first time that we

2837
02:22:13,690 --> 02:22:09,800
saw that film and we were walking to the

2838
02:22:15,640 --> 02:22:13,700
car message so what do you think and we

2839
02:22:17,770 --> 02:22:15,650
weren't even talking we were still

2840
02:22:23,430 --> 02:22:17,780
contemplating about what we just viewed

2841
02:22:31,750 --> 02:22:27,070
somebody knows something there was too

2842
02:22:35,530 --> 02:22:31,760
much in that film and from a completely

2843
02:22:37,210 --> 02:22:35,540
unique point of reference from not only

2844
02:22:40,450 --> 02:22:37,220
the communication and how that was done

2845
02:22:44,710 --> 02:22:40,460
but the reasons why they were here the

2846
02:22:47,679 --> 02:22:44,720
the time the linear time aspect of it

2847
02:22:53,460 --> 02:22:47,689
the conflict between nations and how

2848
02:22:57,399 --> 02:22:53,470
that was handled that was a story-driven

2849
02:22:59,170 --> 02:22:57,409
scientific film it was not easy that

2850
02:23:02,500 --> 02:22:59,180
what you're absolutely right that wasn't

2851
02:23:07,139 --> 02:23:02,510
popcorn you know that was an action

2852
02:23:10,300 --> 02:23:07,149
thriller it was about thinking and yeah

2853
02:23:12,250 --> 02:23:10,310
and neither was interstellar or 2001 the

2854
02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:12,260
Space Oddity through that matter right I

2855
02:23:17,530 --> 02:23:15,290
remember being at a MUFON event I was

2856
02:23:19,330 --> 02:23:17,540
speaking and showing my artwork and when

2857
02:23:21,880 --> 02:23:19,340
I said that probably the most

2858
02:23:24,219 --> 02:23:21,890
significant movie besides the UFO

2859
02:23:26,559 --> 02:23:24,229
incident with James Earl Jones and

2860
02:23:28,660 --> 02:23:26,569
Estelle Parsons done in the 70s 2001

2861
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:28,670
Space Odyssey was one of the most

2862
02:23:34,899 --> 02:23:31,850
significant films made in relationship

2863
02:23:38,679 --> 02:23:34,909
to this phenomenon and they looked at me

2864
02:23:40,030 --> 02:23:38,689
like I just said and i and i ate a goat

2865
02:23:41,260 --> 02:23:40,040
for dinner or something you know they

2866
02:23:42,939 --> 02:23:41,270
just kind of looked at me blank like

2867
02:23:47,710 --> 02:23:42,949
what the heck does that weigh we have to

2868
02:23:50,859 --> 02:23:47,720
do with alien abduction well that's and

2869
02:23:53,950 --> 02:23:50,869
and and and it goes back to the point

2870
02:23:58,240 --> 02:23:53,960
that I I can't I can't get this out of

2871
02:24:00,820 --> 02:23:58,250
my head Steve which is there there is an

2872
02:24:04,330 --> 02:24:00,830
agenda here with filmmaking and

2873
02:24:07,240 --> 02:24:04,340
Hollywood and it's it's I think the

2874
02:24:09,160 --> 02:24:07,250
message is pretty clear and when we look

2875
02:24:11,769 --> 02:24:09,170
at these days of disclosure that we're

2876
02:24:13,929 --> 02:24:11,779
going through now when the big event

2877
02:24:16,200 --> 02:24:13,939
happens right whether it's an

2878
02:24:20,859 --> 02:24:16,210
independent state type of event or not

2879
02:24:22,809 --> 02:24:20,869
but we're going to be pretty accepting

2880
02:24:25,840 --> 02:24:22,819
of the situation when it happens because

2881
02:24:28,540 --> 02:24:25,850
we've seen it all before it's already

2882
02:24:30,130 --> 02:24:28,550
happening I mean it's amazing to me when

2883
02:24:32,229 --> 02:24:30,140
the Defense Department released that

2884
02:24:34,120 --> 02:24:32,239
footage and when they Pentagon admitted

2885
02:24:37,240 --> 02:24:34,130
to what they that they've been covering

2886
02:24:41,469 --> 02:24:37,250
up and it was everywhere people went oh

2887
02:24:45,219 --> 02:24:41,479
that's nice yeah let's examine out there

2888
02:24:47,139 --> 02:24:45,229
comfortably numb' no but that's exactly

2889
02:24:50,769 --> 02:24:47,149
what happened and everything that you

2890
02:24:53,200 --> 02:24:50,779
know like the Brookings or Condon or you

2891
02:24:55,630 --> 02:24:53,210
look at any of the stuff that was

2892
02:24:57,940 --> 02:24:55,640
officially released a scientific study

2893
02:25:00,131 --> 02:24:57,950
on on how the world would

2894
02:25:02,650 --> 02:25:00,141
accepted while the opposite happened it

2895
02:25:05,650 --> 02:25:02,660
wasn't orson welles right it wasn't war

2896
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:05,660
the world's it was it was about as

2897
02:25:08,530 --> 02:25:08,000
polarizing in 180 degrees in the other

2898
02:25:10,810 --> 02:25:08,540
direction

2899
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:10,820
as it could have been it was pretty

2900
02:25:16,091 --> 02:25:14,090
blasé the reaction and you know silence

2901
02:25:17,500 --> 02:25:16,101
also from the Vatican I got to take a

2902
02:25:19,810 --> 02:25:17,510
break right here Steve stay right there

2903
02:25:21,580 --> 02:25:19,820
we'll do a little overtime right after

2904
02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:21,590
this I'm real Jimmy Church

2905
02:25:44,020 --> 02:25:25,610
this is fade to black stay with us

2906
02:25:47,179 --> 02:25:44,030
[Music]

2907
02:25:47,809 --> 02:25:47,189
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tonight is Steve Neal filmmaker special

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that title I mean I can oh sure why not

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you know you know now I want to go back

3006
02:30:46,830 --> 02:30:42,370
I want to ask some deeper questions

3007
02:30:50,520 --> 02:30:46,840
about your experiences and one of them

3008
02:30:51,960 --> 02:30:50,530
is this when you did you ever see I

3009
02:30:56,760 --> 02:30:51,970
don't want to ask a leading question

3010
02:31:01,080 --> 02:30:56,770
here but I'm going to did you see any

3011
02:31:05,310 --> 02:31:01,090
any military any any uniforms anything

3012
02:31:08,639 --> 02:31:05,320
like that when you were in these rooms

3013
02:31:10,740 --> 02:31:08,649
or what could have been crafts yes

3014
02:31:12,929 --> 02:31:10,750
absolutely in fact there's a transcript

3015
02:31:15,050 --> 02:31:12,939
taken from which has a lot of

3016
02:31:18,420 --> 02:31:15,060
misspellings in and I found out later

3017
02:31:20,190 --> 02:31:18,430
somehow that was overlooked during the

3018
02:31:24,389 --> 02:31:20,200
editing process but nevertheless it was

3019
02:31:26,370 --> 02:31:24,399
a transcript verbatim of the tapes that

3020
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:26,380
a Vaughn had of me and it's called

3021
02:31:31,620 --> 02:31:29,290
head wound is what she called it and it

3022
02:31:34,500 --> 02:31:31,630
was one of many and I and I did and in

3023
02:31:36,090 --> 02:31:34,510
this particular case I pretty much

3024
02:31:38,820 --> 02:31:36,100
remember to everything that happened and

3025
02:31:40,230 --> 02:31:38,830
how I was taken out of my house and

3026
02:31:42,570 --> 02:31:40,240
taken up into one of those dark holes

3027
02:31:45,780 --> 02:31:42,580
and it ended up in this facility that

3028
02:31:48,210 --> 02:31:45,790
looked like a hospital and it was a mix

3029
02:31:52,260 --> 02:31:48,220
of human beings doctors with white

3030
02:31:52,951 --> 02:31:52,270
smocks on and ID badges and and the

3031
02:31:57,421 --> 02:31:52,961
grace

3032
02:32:02,701 --> 02:31:57,431
and I was taken to an operating room of

3033
02:32:08,251 --> 02:32:02,711
sorts and it looked very very human not

3034
02:32:10,051 --> 02:32:08,261
not visitor style at all and they put me

3035
02:32:11,190 --> 02:32:10,061
on this table and they put this device

3036
02:32:14,430 --> 02:32:11,200
on my head

3037
02:32:17,251 --> 02:32:14,440
they immobilized me and they sedated me

3038
02:32:23,270 --> 02:32:17,261
somewhat and they put this device on my

3039
02:32:28,980 --> 02:32:26,611
it was a little painful but the device

3040
02:32:31,020 --> 02:32:28,990
had a way of numbing you it felt cold so

3041
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:31,030
you know if you're very cold you don't

3042
02:32:37,980 --> 02:32:33,610
feel aim as much in a particular area

3043
02:32:40,980 --> 02:32:37,990
and these smaller gray types did this to

3044
02:32:42,901 --> 02:32:40,990
me and when they were done this doctor

3045
02:32:47,071 --> 02:32:42,911
came in and I can describe him exactly

3046
02:32:50,011 --> 02:32:47,081
was about 44 45 he's balding on top dark

3047
02:32:52,680 --> 02:32:50,021
hair where I rimmed glasses mustache and

3048
02:32:54,720 --> 02:32:52,690
he was kind of a cocky sort of guy and

3049
02:32:57,541 --> 02:32:54,730
he he came in and he's looking what they

3050
02:32:59,841 --> 02:32:57,551
did and he said this this this isn't

3051
02:33:02,161 --> 02:32:59,851
close to look this way what did you do

3052
02:33:04,501 --> 02:33:02,171
don't you know he's gonna know something

3053
02:33:08,551 --> 02:33:04,511
happened and he was really upset because

3054
02:33:13,921 --> 02:33:08,561
it did leave a hole in my head and it

3055
02:33:16,171 --> 02:33:13,931
left a little scar and that was one time

3056
02:33:18,751 --> 02:33:16,181
and I remember I went to my my dear

3057
02:33:21,480 --> 02:33:18,761
friend Roger layer and he looked at the

3058
02:33:24,001 --> 02:33:21,490
injury and told me that the fluid the

3059
02:33:27,270 --> 02:33:24,011
clear fluid coming out was spinal fluid

3060
02:33:29,390 --> 02:33:27,280
of some type and there was a hole right

3061
02:33:34,501 --> 02:33:29,400
through my skull straight into my brain

3062
02:33:37,201 --> 02:33:34,511
and then other times I was again in a

3063
02:33:39,631 --> 02:33:37,211
facility like this and one time I came

3064
02:33:41,701 --> 02:33:39,641
to I was on a table there were a lot of

3065
02:33:48,871 --> 02:33:41,711
other people in the room also passed out

3066
02:33:50,161 --> 02:33:48,881
on tables and I got up and there was no

3067
02:33:52,651 --> 02:33:50,171
one around and I pushed open these

3068
02:33:55,440 --> 02:33:52,661
pushed open doors and walked this

3069
02:33:57,241 --> 02:33:55,450
hallway I was really disoriented and one

3070
02:33:58,531 --> 02:33:57,251
of the taller Grey's just came out of

3071
02:34:00,331 --> 02:33:58,541
this door and looked at me like you're

3072
02:34:03,571 --> 02:34:00,341
not supposed to be here and then it ran

3073
02:34:05,730 --> 02:34:03,581
off and I said oh so I ran down the

3074
02:34:06,331 --> 02:34:05,740
hallway a vase I opened these doors and

3075
02:34:09,930 --> 02:34:06,341
I walked

3076
02:34:11,430 --> 02:34:09,940
into this cavernous expanse and it was

3077
02:34:13,291 --> 02:34:11,440
like a cavern had been dug out

3078
02:34:18,121 --> 02:34:13,301
underground and they had built these

3079
02:34:21,301 --> 02:34:18,131
buildings they built the buildings just

3080
02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:21,311
in this huge cave that was artificial

3081
02:34:27,841 --> 02:34:24,160
that had been bored out somehow and I

3082
02:34:30,211 --> 02:34:27,851
could hear jeeps driving around and all

3083
02:34:33,511 --> 02:34:30,221
kinds of military signs and many of the

3084
02:34:35,690 --> 02:34:33,521
times I saw the actual military I was in

3085
02:34:39,930 --> 02:34:35,700
the backseat with another experiencer

3086
02:34:42,360 --> 02:34:39,940
and we were driving through this tunnel

3087
02:34:46,081 --> 02:34:42,370
and we were stopped and there were

3088
02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:46,091
military people there checking IDs and

3089
02:34:49,201 --> 02:34:46,570
stuff

3090
02:34:51,570 --> 02:34:49,211
yes it's happened a number of times it

3091
02:34:53,761 --> 02:34:51,580
hasn't happened in years but this was

3092
02:34:55,381 --> 02:34:53,771
during the period then in the 90s a lot

3093
02:34:57,801 --> 02:34:55,391
of people were claiming they were going

3094
02:35:01,230 --> 02:34:57,811
to underground bases and China Lake and

3095
02:35:03,720 --> 02:35:01,240
places out in the Tehachapi in Edwards

3096
02:35:03,961 --> 02:35:03,730
Air Force area I don't know that for

3097
02:35:11,881 --> 02:35:03,971
sure

3098
02:35:16,131 --> 02:35:11,891
a lot what what does do you contemplate

3099
02:35:22,081 --> 02:35:16,141
those aspects of it that some of these

3100
02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:22,091
abductions and experiences are our own

3101
02:35:29,720 --> 02:35:26,080
government doing this possibly to

3102
02:35:33,060 --> 02:35:29,730
mislead so those that are experiencing

3103
02:35:34,680 --> 02:35:33,070
will go out and and and and talk about

3104
02:35:37,560 --> 02:35:34,690
this and get taken one of two ways

3105
02:35:41,400 --> 02:35:37,570
either they're completely nuts and crazy

3106
02:35:45,180 --> 02:35:41,410
and making it all up or be that these

3107
02:35:48,121 --> 02:35:45,190
alien abductions are real but they may

3108
02:35:51,150 --> 02:35:48,131
not necessarily be alien abductions it

3109
02:35:54,720 --> 02:35:51,160
may be us doing it well that's true and

3110
02:35:57,930 --> 02:35:54,730
I've contemplated that as well I really

3111
02:35:59,461 --> 02:35:57,940
don't know for sure it could be that

3112
02:36:03,900 --> 02:35:59,471
they're taking advantage of the

3113
02:36:06,991 --> 02:36:03,910
situation abducting us and to to examine

3114
02:36:08,791 --> 02:36:07,001
us to run tests just to see what the

3115
02:36:11,761 --> 02:36:08,801
visitors are doing because they may be

3116
02:36:14,491 --> 02:36:11,771
in despair not knowing what's being done

3117
02:36:16,621 --> 02:36:14,501
to so many millions of people in it I

3118
02:36:18,600 --> 02:36:16,631
think it is in the millions I think a

3119
02:36:19,770 --> 02:36:18,610
lot of people never remember it don't

3120
02:36:21,420 --> 02:36:19,780
even know it's happening

3121
02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:21,430
right but one of the one of the things I

3122
02:36:26,850 --> 02:36:24,130
experienced quite often and you know

3123
02:36:30,030 --> 02:36:26,860
about the Coronado oh yeah I have the

3124
02:36:33,180 --> 02:36:30,040
book here sure yeah well Sam is me and

3125
02:36:35,700 --> 02:36:33,190
that's when oh I know that what you're

3126
02:36:38,190 --> 02:36:35,710
Sam and Coronado that's correct

3127
02:36:41,160 --> 02:36:38,200
Oh see Yvonne is good she never told me

3128
02:36:43,170 --> 02:36:41,170
well the thing is is my late wife wanted

3129
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:43,180
me out of this she was scared to death

3130
02:36:48,900 --> 02:36:44,650
by this whole thing well that's another

3131
02:36:50,520 --> 02:36:48,910
half hour to an hour but so I went on

3132
02:36:53,490 --> 02:36:50,530
wrote the book I said please don't use

3133
02:36:55,230 --> 02:36:53,500
my name because it'll upset my wife one

3134
02:36:59,490 --> 02:36:55,240
of the things that wasn't in there and I

3135
02:37:01,680 --> 02:36:59,500
know came out and her hypnosis was when

3136
02:37:06,030 --> 02:37:01,690
the gentleman I was staying with in the

3137
02:37:09,270 --> 02:37:06,040
same room and we were both taken I came

3138
02:37:11,370 --> 02:37:09,280
to and I was floating on my back cold in

3139
02:37:13,620 --> 02:37:11,380
the sky with his blue light this dark

3140
02:37:16,680 --> 02:37:13,630
hole over the top of me the one I'm used

3141
02:37:19,050 --> 02:37:16,690
to seeing and there were two military

3142
02:37:21,030 --> 02:37:19,060
helicopters and there was like looked

3143
02:37:22,950 --> 02:37:21,040
like a police helicopters and they're

3144
02:37:25,410 --> 02:37:22,960
hovering just outside the field of the

3145
02:37:27,810 --> 02:37:25,420
beam and they have their beams on us

3146
02:37:31,020 --> 02:37:27,820
watching this whole thing happen and

3147
02:37:32,880 --> 02:37:31,030
when they and when they took took us up

3148
02:37:34,170 --> 02:37:32,890
through this black hole which I'm

3149
02:37:36,600 --> 02:37:34,180
starting to think more and more this is

3150
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:36,610
sort of sort of dimensional opening or

3151
02:37:42,540 --> 02:37:38,880
literally some kind of black hole that

3152
02:37:44,790 --> 02:37:42,550
tears an opening in time-space as we

3153
02:37:46,740 --> 02:37:44,800
know it to be able to transport us from

3154
02:37:48,750 --> 02:37:46,750
one place to another again everyone

3155
02:37:51,090 --> 02:37:48,760
listening this is just theories it's

3156
02:37:54,180 --> 02:37:51,100
just the hunch I have it's it's not set

3157
02:37:57,240 --> 02:37:54,190
in stone but once we're in there I'm

3158
02:38:02,880 --> 02:37:57,250
sitting on a table with with the

3159
02:38:04,650 --> 02:38:02,890
visitors and my friend is on a table and

3160
02:38:07,470 --> 02:38:04,660
they're doing all kinds of tests and

3161
02:38:10,650 --> 02:38:07,480
probing him and he's he's resisting and

3162
02:38:13,860 --> 02:38:10,660
he's he's he's crying out and I'm saying

3163
02:38:16,020 --> 02:38:13,870
well how come this isn't being done to

3164
02:38:18,510 --> 02:38:16,030
me and they told me that I was different

3165
02:38:19,920 --> 02:38:18,520
that it wasn't like him and the agenda

3166
02:38:23,370 --> 02:38:19,930
with me was different than the agenda

3167
02:38:26,030 --> 02:38:23,380
with him well and what this suggests is

3168
02:38:29,340 --> 02:38:26,040
the third possibility here which is

3169
02:38:31,040 --> 02:38:29,350
cooperation between et and our

3170
02:38:33,800 --> 02:38:31,050
government

3171
02:38:37,880 --> 02:38:33,810
that is the other part of this which is

3172
02:38:41,750 --> 02:38:37,890
probably just as equally scary is the

3173
02:38:45,410 --> 02:38:41,760
scenario number one or number two it is

3174
02:38:47,059 --> 02:38:45,420
it is and of course it worries you

3175
02:38:50,770 --> 02:38:47,069
worried me a great deal back during the

3176
02:38:54,740 --> 02:38:50,780
90s was happening so often but again

3177
02:38:58,540 --> 02:38:54,750
ultimately I don't know I'm okay with

3178
02:39:04,059 --> 02:38:58,550
that I don't know but I really hate to

3179
02:39:07,450 --> 02:39:04,069
theorize and be wrong no I do well

3180
02:39:09,889 --> 02:39:07,460
before before we really run out of time

3181
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:09,899
just good to be in a few minutes when

3182
02:39:16,880 --> 02:39:13,130
when I sign off the network

3183
02:39:19,000 --> 02:39:16,890
Coronado I think some of the audience

3184
02:39:22,040 --> 02:39:19,010
knows about the book I've certainly

3185
02:39:25,820 --> 02:39:22,050
talked about it and interviewed Yvonne

3186
02:39:30,320 --> 02:39:25,830
but Coronado takes place down in San

3187
02:39:33,290 --> 02:39:30,330
Diego but the at the hotel but there's

3188
02:39:36,830 --> 02:39:33,300
another aspect to this which needs to be

3189
02:39:41,330 --> 02:39:36,840
talked about and it's who else from our

3190
02:39:42,800 --> 02:39:41,340
government was at that hotel yeah I

3191
02:39:44,450 --> 02:39:42,810
don't know if this isn't the first time

3192
02:39:47,660 --> 02:39:44,460
this has happened because another time I

3193
02:39:49,550 --> 02:39:47,670
was in Moorpark at a MUFON event and we

3194
02:39:52,400 --> 02:39:49,560
spent the night in a hotel Whitley was

3195
02:39:56,090 --> 02:39:52,410
above me I was below him in the in the

3196
02:39:56,719 --> 02:39:56,100
the room below him and it was a really

3197
02:40:00,260 --> 02:39:56,729
rough night

3198
02:40:02,300 --> 02:40:00,270
on him and what happened I don't

3199
02:40:04,820 --> 02:40:02,310
remember a lot of it at all but I do

3200
02:40:07,190 --> 02:40:04,830
what I remember is I had a Gauss meter

3201
02:40:10,550 --> 02:40:07,200
that Roger Leir gave me said take this

3202
02:40:12,950 --> 02:40:10,560
with you you know and and and use it on

3203
02:40:15,800 --> 02:40:12,960
your room so I did and I was just

3204
02:40:18,230 --> 02:40:15,810
getting readings amazing radiation

3205
02:40:20,210 --> 02:40:18,240
readings off my bed off the TV off in

3206
02:40:21,740 --> 02:40:20,220
the bathroom it was all over the place

3207
02:40:26,599 --> 02:40:21,750
it was like the whole place was bugged

3208
02:40:30,620 --> 02:40:26,609
or something in it and that night you

3209
02:40:33,230 --> 02:40:30,630
know we all went to bed and I woke up so

3210
02:40:34,849 --> 02:40:33,240
hungover I knew something had happened

3211
02:40:36,950 --> 02:40:34,859
that didn't remember what had happened

3212
02:40:41,770 --> 02:40:36,960
and my back hurt I remember it hurt

3213
02:40:43,910 --> 02:40:41,780
really bad I checked the room again and

3214
02:40:44,890 --> 02:40:43,920
there were no readings on the Gauss

3215
02:40:48,070 --> 02:40:44,900
meter whatsoever

3216
02:40:50,711 --> 02:40:48,080
it was completely flatlined and I went

3217
02:40:52,390 --> 02:40:50,721
and saw Whitley and in and I told him

3218
02:40:55,240 --> 02:40:52,400
what happened

3219
02:40:57,011 --> 02:40:55,250
it seemed that everybody there had some

3220
02:40:59,291 --> 02:40:57,021
sort of incident that night and when I

3221
02:41:02,350 --> 02:40:59,301
showed him my back he kind of recoiled

3222
02:41:04,450 --> 02:41:02,360
said oh my goodness because I had all

3223
02:41:08,831 --> 02:41:04,460
these scratches on my back and like

3224
02:41:11,020 --> 02:41:08,841
burns up by spine moment that took a

3225
02:41:13,751 --> 02:41:11,030
long time to go away and many of the

3226
02:41:16,331 --> 02:41:13,761
people there that night also claimed

3227
02:41:18,720 --> 02:41:16,341
that that they had something happened so

3228
02:41:21,310 --> 02:41:18,730
it seems that sometimes when groups of

3229
02:41:24,280 --> 02:41:21,320
and there's a large number of Vaughn's

3230
02:41:28,180 --> 02:41:24,290
group there and a Vaughn when they get

3231
02:41:34,270 --> 02:41:28,190
together that this will happen what was

3232
02:41:40,921 --> 02:41:34,280
your last contact my last contact was

3233
02:41:43,930 --> 02:41:40,931
several nights ago I woke up and my

3234
02:41:45,671 --> 02:41:43,940
hallway has a certain amount of night

3235
02:41:48,610 --> 02:41:45,681
light coming down and it was

3236
02:41:51,070 --> 02:41:48,620
backlighting a gray figure standing

3237
02:41:53,501 --> 02:41:51,080
right to the edge of the bed and my

3238
02:41:55,570 --> 02:41:53,511
first thought when I saw it was Oh Mary

3239
02:41:57,900 --> 02:41:55,580
must have got to go to the bathroom even

3240
02:42:00,430 --> 02:41:57,910
though it was shaped nothing like her

3241
02:42:02,230 --> 02:42:00,440
healthy skepticism and a healthy brain

3242
02:42:05,530 --> 02:42:02,240
will do that a little automatically go

3243
02:42:10,930 --> 02:42:05,540
to the most logical thing that could be

3244
02:42:12,430 --> 02:42:10,940
and then I looked over at her to see you

3245
02:42:15,640 --> 02:42:12,440
know if she was next to me and she was

3246
02:42:19,001 --> 02:42:15,650
and I looked back and it was gone prior

3247
02:42:20,680 --> 02:42:19,011
to that just a few nights before that we

3248
02:42:23,770 --> 02:42:20,690
had some disturbances in the house and

3249
02:42:25,961 --> 02:42:23,780
some lights shining around inside I also

3250
02:42:28,030 --> 02:42:25,971
had one right next to me by the bed

3251
02:42:30,131 --> 02:42:28,040
backlit by bright lights coming through

3252
02:42:34,780 --> 02:42:30,141
my shutters which were closed but it was

3253
02:42:36,581 --> 02:42:34,790
coming through the cracks but probably

3254
02:42:38,110 --> 02:42:36,591
the one of the most amazing things that

3255
02:42:40,720 --> 02:42:38,120
happened and you saw it in the end of

3256
02:42:42,041 --> 02:42:40,730
the show but something is there and

3257
02:42:44,051 --> 02:42:42,051
that's what happened with Whitley and I

3258
02:42:47,381 --> 02:42:44,061
when I saw the triangle what you saw at

3259
02:42:48,730 --> 02:42:47,391
the end there exactly happened now what

3260
02:42:52,801 --> 02:42:48,740
he's referring to

3261
02:42:56,530 --> 02:42:52,811
now that said that's a really cool scene

3262
02:42:57,761 --> 02:42:56,540
I haven't had anything quite that

3263
02:43:00,581 --> 02:42:57,771
incredible

3264
02:43:03,041 --> 02:43:00,591
but similar also and I had a black

3265
02:43:05,730 --> 02:43:03,051
triangle sighting I've got the

3266
02:43:11,890 --> 02:43:05,740
photograph right here right I hold it up

3267
02:43:15,041 --> 02:43:11,900
I shot on film Steve up in Monterrey Wow

3268
02:43:17,470 --> 02:43:15,051
and I'll hold it up to the cameras right

3269
02:43:19,091 --> 02:43:17,480
here here's here's the picture I don't

3270
02:43:20,980 --> 02:43:19,101
have picture right here but if you could

3271
02:43:25,320 --> 02:43:20,990
eally only that I would love to see it

3272
02:43:28,661 --> 02:43:25,330
it's I shot it in 1995 on a

3273
02:43:30,911 --> 02:43:28,671
35-millimeter camera and I'm up at the

3274
02:43:35,461 --> 02:43:30,921
beach in Monterey

3275
02:43:38,350 --> 02:43:35,471
we were walking between Monterey and

3276
02:43:41,801 --> 02:43:38,360
Pebble Beach right so we're walking down

3277
02:43:44,440 --> 02:43:41,811
the beach and and and I took this

3278
02:43:48,161 --> 02:43:44,450
picture there was something up shooting

3279
02:43:49,720 --> 02:43:48,171
across the sky and you go and you look

3280
02:43:51,850 --> 02:43:49,730
at this picture it looks like clouds

3281
02:43:54,190 --> 02:43:51,860
right that's what it looks like but

3282
02:43:57,491 --> 02:43:54,200
right in the middle of this picture is a

3283
02:43:59,831 --> 02:43:57,501
little black dot and now and then you

3284
02:44:01,241 --> 02:43:59,841
put a jeweler's loupe on it it's way up

3285
02:44:02,051 --> 02:44:01,251
in the clouds you put a jeweler's loupe

3286
02:44:04,841 --> 02:44:02,061
on it

3287
02:44:08,741 --> 02:44:04,851
it's like 60,000 feet you know it's like

3288
02:44:12,100 --> 02:44:08,751
crazy right it's a black pyramid it's

3289
02:44:15,491 --> 02:44:12,110
crazy and and it was shooting across the

3290
02:44:18,461 --> 02:44:15,501
sky then stopped and then crawled around

3291
02:44:21,131 --> 02:44:18,471
and shot up at the end of the cloud and

3292
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:21,141
went into the blue and just disappeared

3293
02:44:27,581 --> 02:44:25,610
but I happen to catch this one shot I'll

3294
02:44:30,310 --> 02:44:27,591
put my finger on it for everybody the

3295
02:44:33,400 --> 02:44:30,320
black dot is right at the tip of my

3296
02:44:35,261 --> 02:44:33,410
finger you can just I'm holding it up to

3297
02:44:37,751 --> 02:44:35,271
the camera there it is you can see it

3298
02:44:40,631 --> 02:44:37,761
right there it's crazy

3299
02:44:42,881 --> 02:44:40,641
you put the jeweler's loupe on it oh you

3300
02:44:47,560 --> 02:44:42,891
could say is you know what T you know

3301
02:44:49,690 --> 02:44:47,570
WTF yeah you know what is that when I

3302
02:44:51,520 --> 02:44:49,700
saw that with Whitley it was you know I

3303
02:44:53,680 --> 02:44:51,530
have been seeing a lot of crafts up

3304
02:44:55,541 --> 02:44:53,690
close and personal and all my life but

3305
02:44:58,060 --> 02:44:55,551
you know it just never gets old I mean

3306
02:44:59,860 --> 02:44:58,070
and that's the first triangle I know

3307
02:45:01,631 --> 02:44:59,870
that's the second triangle the first one

3308
02:45:03,671 --> 02:45:01,641
was Mary when we were just starting to

3309
02:45:05,171 --> 02:45:03,681
go out and of course nothing would do

3310
02:45:07,331 --> 02:45:05,181
that she would have an experience with

3311
02:45:10,091 --> 02:45:07,341
me but that one that night with Whitley

3312
02:45:10,840 --> 02:45:10,101
and being on the phone with him it was

3313
02:45:15,670 --> 02:45:10,850
just

3314
02:45:20,380 --> 02:45:15,680
into words so and the message I got

3315
02:45:23,199 --> 02:45:20,390
there's still hope don't give up now you

3316
02:45:29,619 --> 02:45:23,209
mentioned the sir earlier so I want to

3317
02:45:32,260 --> 02:45:29,629
stay on this when so much today whether

3318
02:45:35,170 --> 02:45:32,270
it's channeling or direct communication

3319
02:45:38,679 --> 02:45:35,180
and and you've had the the same things

3320
02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:38,689
happen where the message seems to be

3321
02:45:45,849 --> 02:45:41,930
pretty clear it's a positive one it's

3322
02:45:50,649 --> 02:45:45,859
not a negative one is is that where we

3323
02:45:55,599 --> 02:45:50,659
are at now I hope so I mean it seems

3324
02:45:57,369 --> 02:45:55,609
positive or is it just we want it to be

3325
02:46:00,939 --> 02:45:57,379
positive and what it really is is

3326
02:46:02,189 --> 02:46:00,949
practical that it's the right thing to

3327
02:46:05,739 --> 02:46:02,199
do

3328
02:46:08,769 --> 02:46:05,749
I've never been harmed that I know of

3329
02:46:12,960 --> 02:46:08,779
I certainly have I have implants I have

3330
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:12,970
one exactly like Whitley in my ear I

3331
02:46:18,609 --> 02:46:15,770
found amazing things in my body an x-ray

3332
02:46:21,369 --> 02:46:18,619
but I'm still very healthy very much

3333
02:46:25,869 --> 02:46:21,379
alive and 66 years old I do yoga every

3334
02:46:28,529 --> 02:46:25,879
morning two-mile walk I'm very limber my

3335
02:46:31,000 --> 02:46:28,539
health is good I've never been harmed

3336
02:46:32,979 --> 02:46:31,010
I've been I've been terrorized to a

3337
02:46:34,989 --> 02:46:32,989
degree I've been frightened I've been

3338
02:46:37,510 --> 02:46:34,999
putting through terrible ordeals through

3339
02:46:39,309 --> 02:46:37,520
experiences with them but it always

3340
02:46:42,699 --> 02:46:39,319
seemed in the end to be something that

3341
02:46:47,019 --> 02:46:42,709
elevated my consciousness and my ability

3342
02:46:50,050 --> 02:46:47,029
to perceive the world in a way that made

3343
02:46:51,399 --> 02:46:50,060
more sense how does how does the

3344
02:46:56,500 --> 02:46:51,409
communication happen

3345
02:46:58,710 --> 02:46:56,510
I do do they actually speak I've heard

3346
02:47:01,569 --> 02:46:58,720
them speak and it's breathless and it's

3347
02:47:05,619 --> 02:47:01,579
like in the center of your your mind but

3348
02:47:08,109 --> 02:47:05,629
then again sometimes I just feel it I

3349
02:47:12,460 --> 02:47:08,119
did with that message that night it was

3350
02:47:15,960 --> 02:47:12,470
something it just it almost yeah it felt

3351
02:47:18,340 --> 02:47:15,970
like I used to do my own developing and

3352
02:47:20,309 --> 02:47:18,350
printing and photography I've always

3353
02:47:23,260 --> 02:47:20,319
been a photographer and a camera nut and

3354
02:47:24,820 --> 02:47:23,270
when you would develop in the darkroom

3355
02:47:27,100 --> 02:47:24,830
and the red light and you developed

3356
02:47:29,230 --> 02:47:27,110
the eight-by-ten black/white print would

3357
02:47:32,950 --> 02:47:29,240
sort of fade up it had that kind of

3358
02:47:38,230 --> 02:47:32,960
feeling it's difficult to put into words

3359
02:47:40,540 --> 02:47:38,240
have you what about current sightings I

3360
02:47:44,380 --> 02:47:40,550
understand the black triangle but what

3361
02:47:47,140 --> 02:47:44,390
I'm referring to is what I do now with

3362
02:47:50,830 --> 02:47:47,150
groups of people where we go out and sky

3363
02:47:53,440 --> 02:47:50,840
watch night-vision goggles and and I've

3364
02:47:56,490 --> 02:47:53,450
seen some pretty extraordinary things

3365
02:47:58,810 --> 02:47:56,500
that I've been very very public about

3366
02:48:03,551 --> 02:47:58,820
what do you think about those sightings

3367
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:03,561
today and do you do it I haven't I'd

3368
02:48:09,730 --> 02:48:07,010
like to i have us i have three amazing

3369
02:48:12,130 --> 02:48:09,740
telescopes one quite large and i'm dying

3370
02:48:13,511 --> 02:48:12,140
to get out and go to a star party I keep

3371
02:48:15,370 --> 02:48:13,521
telling Whitley he's gonna come with me

3372
02:48:17,640 --> 02:48:15,380
he wants to and bring his grandson I

3373
02:48:20,320 --> 02:48:17,650
would very much like to do that because

3374
02:48:21,910 --> 02:48:20,330
whenever I do and the last time I was

3375
02:48:23,801 --> 02:48:21,920
out camping with some friends and they

3376
02:48:25,870 --> 02:48:23,811
were skeptical they witnessed some

3377
02:48:27,761 --> 02:48:25,880
amazing things just like you're talking

3378
02:48:30,040 --> 02:48:27,771
about he completely changed their lives

3379
02:48:32,350 --> 02:48:30,050
but one of the most incredible ones as

3380
02:48:34,810 --> 02:48:32,360
well as in Fraser Park with my friend

3381
02:48:36,460 --> 02:48:34,820
Mark and we were doing deep sky

3382
02:48:39,270 --> 02:48:36,470
photography through our celeste ron's

3383
02:48:41,950 --> 02:48:39,280
and he started shining a light at me and

3384
02:48:44,170 --> 02:48:41,960
to make a long story short I got pissed

3385
02:48:46,180 --> 02:48:44,180
off stopped the exposure and and turned

3386
02:48:47,440 --> 02:48:46,190
over to him and started to say what do

3387
02:48:50,410 --> 02:48:47,450
you think you're doing you know better

3388
02:48:52,180 --> 02:48:50,420
than a mark and he says back to me away

3389
02:48:55,060 --> 02:48:52,190
from his telescope and he's staring at

3390
02:48:57,850 --> 02:48:55,070
this large sphere and that's when I

3391
02:48:59,620 --> 02:48:57,860
realized that it's completely silent

3392
02:49:02,500 --> 02:48:59,630
there's not a cricket a breath of air

3393
02:49:04,780 --> 02:49:02,510
anything there's this huge sphere sort

3394
02:49:05,110 --> 02:49:04,790
of a amber color hovering very close to

3395
02:49:07,840 --> 02:49:05,120
us

3396
02:49:10,570 --> 02:49:07,850
so I start to go over to it and he says

3397
02:49:12,370 --> 02:49:10,580
don't do it you it could be dangerous

3398
02:49:14,230 --> 02:49:12,380
don't go in he was very frightened and I

3399
02:49:15,910 --> 02:49:14,240
walked over to it and it backed away

3400
02:49:18,600 --> 02:49:15,920
from me backed away more and it backed

3401
02:49:21,310 --> 02:49:18,610
away more and finally it went off across

3402
02:49:23,320 --> 02:49:21,320
the fat little Valley there and over the

3403
02:49:26,290 --> 02:49:23,330
mountains and it disappeared and of

3404
02:49:31,170 --> 02:49:26,300
course the next day when I got home he

3405
02:49:34,450 --> 02:49:31,180
talked all about it to my late wife and

3406
02:49:36,220 --> 02:49:34,460
she remembered him talking about it two

3407
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:36,230
weeks later he didn't remember it not

3408
02:49:41,590 --> 02:49:39,130
even a little bit the vac in

3409
02:49:42,570 --> 02:49:41,600
Wow he still he doesn't remember it to

3410
02:49:46,660 --> 02:49:42,580
this day

3411
02:49:49,780 --> 02:49:46,670
how okay I'm trying to picture this and

3412
02:49:50,559 --> 02:49:49,790
we've got three minutes okay are you

3413
02:49:52,300 --> 02:49:50,569
saying

3414
02:49:55,179 --> 02:49:52,310
you know I understand the telescope's

3415
02:49:57,580 --> 02:49:55,189
and stuff and and the flash and you turn

3416
02:50:02,110 --> 02:49:57,590
around and it wasn't him flashing you

3417
02:50:05,769 --> 02:50:02,120
boy that sounded weird but it was it was

3418
02:50:12,870 --> 02:50:05,779
a sphere how how big was it how far away

3419
02:50:19,840 --> 02:50:17,349
maybe a hundred feet or so it was it was

3420
02:50:21,300 --> 02:50:19,850
it had shined a light at us is what

3421
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:21,310
happened right

3422
02:50:25,269 --> 02:50:23,930
it's shined a light right on us and it

3423
02:50:28,090 --> 02:50:25,279
caught the corner of my eye and that's

3424
02:50:30,610 --> 02:50:28,100
what I remember about it and the one and

3425
02:50:32,050 --> 02:50:30,620
I did do a session on that evening

3426
02:50:37,389 --> 02:50:32,060
because we went back a state at this

3427
02:50:43,780 --> 02:50:37,399
cabin and amazing things happened that

3428
02:50:45,370 --> 02:50:43,790
night hahaha how big was it how big was

3429
02:50:47,490 --> 02:50:45,380
it I mean if I had to ask me maybe

3430
02:50:50,440 --> 02:50:47,500
thirty feet across but it wasn't what I

3431
02:50:52,000 --> 02:50:50,450
experienced under hypnosis later on I

3432
02:50:53,860 --> 02:50:52,010
mean I did see that in hypnosis

3433
02:50:56,170 --> 02:50:53,870
everything was the same but later that

3434
02:50:58,719 --> 02:50:56,180
night at the cabin the classic lights

3435
02:51:01,840 --> 02:50:58,729
came in the windows and then the the

3436
02:51:05,500 --> 02:51:01,850
grace came in and they they took me and

3437
02:51:07,450 --> 02:51:05,510
I went into the kitchen and they had me

3438
02:51:09,190 --> 02:51:07,460
by the hand and we're heading towards

3439
02:51:11,050 --> 02:51:09,200
this door and I'm thinking aren't they

3440
02:51:13,269 --> 02:51:11,060
going to open it the next thing I knew

3441
02:51:16,090 --> 02:51:13,279
we both went right through the door and

3442
02:51:18,820 --> 02:51:16,100
they felt this little tug on me like I

3443
02:51:20,559 --> 02:51:18,830
had passed through something and they

3444
02:51:22,570 --> 02:51:20,569
took us out into the woods because this

3445
02:51:24,700 --> 02:51:22,580
is Fraser Park and the cabin was just

3446
02:51:27,730 --> 02:51:24,710
like right in the woods and deep inside

3447
02:51:31,269 --> 02:51:27,740
was this big saucer shaped object

3448
02:51:34,780 --> 02:51:31,279
sitting there just kind of floating that

3449
02:51:37,179 --> 02:51:34,790
we went inside and it was it was classic

3450
02:51:40,150 --> 02:51:37,189
flying-saucer stuff it was amazing and

3451
02:51:41,410 --> 02:51:40,160
he doesn't remember any of it didn't

3452
02:51:44,800 --> 02:51:41,420
remember any of they did report

3453
02:51:46,179 --> 02:51:44,810
nightmares to me some weeks later he

3454
02:51:48,340 --> 02:51:46,189
said the lights were coming in this

3455
02:51:49,599 --> 02:51:48,350
window and he saw a big saucer outside

3456
02:51:51,970 --> 02:51:49,609
and he didn't know why he was having

3457
02:51:54,220 --> 02:51:51,980
these nightmares and I said mark did you

3458
02:51:55,990 --> 02:51:54,230
for anything about what happened up

3459
02:51:58,900 --> 02:51:56,000
there he says no I don't remember thing

3460
02:52:01,240 --> 02:51:58,910
I just thought I thought we stopped

3461
02:52:04,930 --> 02:52:01,250
looking at the Stars and and went back

3462
02:52:06,400 --> 02:52:04,940
to the cabinet I we did but it was like

3463
02:52:08,140 --> 02:52:06,410
that scene an alien when they're trying

3464
02:52:09,461 --> 02:52:08,150
to get out of there they're down below

3465
02:52:11,110 --> 02:52:09,471
and they're throwing all this that we're

3466
02:52:14,801 --> 02:52:11,120
just tossing our equipment into the card

3467
02:52:17,411 --> 02:52:14,811
to get out of there but that was after

3468
02:52:21,430 --> 02:52:17,421
we've seen the object what's up next for

3469
02:52:26,381 --> 02:52:21,440
you and when can we not only hopefully

3470
02:52:28,951 --> 02:52:26,391
see the series but when are you gonna

3471
02:52:32,341 --> 02:52:28,961
start shooting the second episode well

3472
02:52:34,810 --> 02:52:32,351
shortly I'm going to start a campaign a

3473
02:52:37,990 --> 02:52:34,820
crowdfunding campaign I'm gonna try it

3474
02:52:40,690 --> 02:52:38,000
see if it works before I go to private

3475
02:52:42,820 --> 02:52:40,700
sources I'm going to do a crowdfunding

3476
02:52:45,220 --> 02:52:42,830
I'm hoping that enough people in the

3477
02:52:48,881 --> 02:52:45,230
community see and are aware of the

3478
02:52:51,341 --> 02:52:48,891
project to want to help us do another

3479
02:52:55,240 --> 02:52:51,351
episode and then another episode and

3480
02:52:57,461 --> 02:52:55,250
then another episode so and and also

3481
02:53:02,320 --> 02:52:57,471
people who do contribute to that will be

3482
02:53:04,900 --> 02:53:02,330
allowed to see the first episode well

3483
02:53:06,940 --> 02:53:04,910
it's you've got the the scripts are

3484
02:53:09,430 --> 02:53:06,950
ready to go I mean that's right yeah

3485
02:53:12,190 --> 02:53:09,440
they're pretty much ready to go I still

3486
02:53:13,930 --> 02:53:12,200
have to go back over them I've got one

3487
02:53:17,470 --> 02:53:13,940
left to finish a two left to finish

3488
02:53:19,751 --> 02:53:17,480
actually but they're all blocked out so

3489
02:53:22,570 --> 02:53:19,761
we're really in a position where if and

3490
02:53:24,430 --> 02:53:22,580
I am talking to some film companies and

3491
02:53:27,190 --> 02:53:24,440
some people to see if maybe they wanted

3492
02:53:29,770 --> 02:53:27,200
to pick up the whole thing we'll see

3493
02:53:33,400 --> 02:53:29,780
what happens and you know you know I did

3494
02:53:37,390 --> 02:53:33,410
I do I do like but we actually finished

3495
02:53:40,541 --> 02:53:37,400
a pilot we did it ourselves and accounts

3496
02:53:44,530 --> 02:53:40,551
for a lot it we're not full of bull and

3497
02:53:46,871 --> 02:53:44,540
we don't just have a trailer and it's

3498
02:53:48,820 --> 02:53:46,881
been very well received mostly by people

3499
02:53:50,820 --> 02:53:48,830
who have these experiences they're the

3500
02:53:53,951 --> 02:53:50,830
ones that gush about it the most yeah I

3501
02:53:56,320 --> 02:53:53,961
really enjoyed it and I'm just waiting

3502
02:53:59,201 --> 02:53:56,330
for the rest of it and the book is

3503
02:54:00,850 --> 02:53:59,211
available too as well that's on Amazon

3504
02:54:03,190 --> 02:54:00,860
if you just type in but something is

3505
02:54:05,800 --> 02:54:03,200
there or Steve Neil you'll get the book

3506
02:54:08,740 --> 02:54:05,810
and it goes into all kinds of me

3507
02:54:11,019 --> 02:54:08,750
details about experiences I had with my

3508
02:54:14,380 --> 02:54:11,029
other grandparents up in Burnie

3509
02:54:15,689 --> 02:54:14,390
California and a lot of other things

3510
02:54:18,040 --> 02:54:15,699
that have happened to me

3511
02:54:19,840 --> 02:54:18,050
fantastic conversation tonight Steve

3512
02:54:21,849 --> 02:54:19,850
yeah I really enjoyed it

3513
02:54:23,800 --> 02:54:21,859
thank you so much give my best to Mary

3514
02:54:25,660 --> 02:54:23,810
and I can't wait to get you back on the

3515
02:54:26,950 --> 02:54:25,670
show thank you so much happy to come

3516
02:54:30,420 --> 02:54:26,960
back thanks so much Jimmy

3517
02:54:34,359 --> 02:54:30,430
Steve Neil and you could just go to

3518
02:54:37,090 --> 02:54:34,369
Jimmy Church radio.com Steve Neil's

3519
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:37,100
garage comm the links are there and of

3520
02:54:42,790 --> 02:54:39,680
course but something is there dotnet

3521
02:54:46,809 --> 02:54:42,800
both links are over at Jimmy Church

3522
02:54:48,729 --> 02:54:46,819
radio.com stated blacks executive

3523
02:54:52,660 --> 02:54:48,739
producers Rita Kumari on shows produced

3524
02:54:55,090 --> 02:54:52,670
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3525
02:54:58,750 --> 02:54:55,100
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3526
02:55:03,069 --> 02:54:58,760
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3527
02:55:06,609 --> 02:55:03,079
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02:55:11,130 --> 02:55:06,619
space boy music.com fade to black is

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02:55:16,149 --> 02:55:14,170
anat this broadcasts on the copyright of

3530
02:55:18,479 --> 02:55:16,159
2018 by fade to black in the game

3531
02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:18,489
changer network it cannot be rebroadcast

3532
02:55:22,689 --> 02:55:20,810
downloaded copied or used anywhere in

3533
02:55:24,550 --> 02:55:22,699
the known universe without written

3534
02:55:26,979 --> 02:55:24,560
permission from fade to black or the

3535
02:55:28,899 --> 02:55:26,989
game changer network I'm you know Jimmy

3536
02:55:32,109 --> 02:55:28,909
Turks you can follow me on Twitter at

3537
02:55:35,559 --> 02:55:32,119
Jay Church radio tomorrow night right

3538
02:55:40,240 --> 02:55:35,569
here Laurie MacDonald until then

3539
02:55:53,480 --> 02:55:40,250
everybody be safe go back Lee taffy